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In this deeply nostalgic and authentic conversation between two elite athletes who lived through the golden age of their respective sports, Tim shares his extraordinary journey from growing up at Westport Beach Club in the South Bay playing every sport imaginable to choosing volleyball over football scholarship offers because getting hit by Ronnie Lott in USC practice was too intense, to forming an unstoppable partnership with Mike Dodd that earned them the nickname big game hunters for winning five Manhattan Beach Opens, four Hermosas, and four world championships while letting Sinjin Smith and Randy Stoklos take any Rhode Island tournament they wanted, to spending nine years playing professionally in Italy before returning to dominate the AVP tour during an era when you could make half a million dollars in sponsorships before stepping on the sand and Miller Lite would fly you around the country for eight live NBC broadcasts that brought beach volleyball into America&#8217;s living rooms. 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Tim opens up about meeting Mike Dodd while training for the Olympic indoor team in San Diego and discovering after practice they would play beach volleyball for four or five more hours against Karch Kiraly and Sinjin Smith until they realized they were pretty damn good and should stay together for what became 14 years, the reality that he and Dodd own 60 feet of the Manhattan Beach pier because every champion&#8217;s name gets engraved in tile and winning Manhattan five times means you&#8217;re forever embedded in the most prestigious tournament in the sport, why getting your name on that pier matters more than 25 other tournament wins because if you don&#8217;t win Manhattan you&#8217;re not going to be one of those guys, the heated rivalry with Sinjin Smith and Randy Stoklos that produced countless finals where mutual respect coexisted with genuine dislike because when you play someone for hours and days and years you hate your opponent in the moment but respect what it takes to compete at that level, how the documentary Kings of the Beach brings together all four legends in one room for the first time in 30 years to share their perspectives on an era that started in the 70s, exploded in the 80s, and faded in the 90s when the vibe changed and sponsors walked away, and why at 60 years old he still plays twice a week at 215 pounds because this is what he was meant to do and the South Bay is where his roots run so deep he has no desire to go anywhere else. &lt;strong&gt;Key Topics Discussed:&lt;\\\/strong&gt; &lt;strong&gt;From Multi Sport Athlete to Beach Volleyball Legend: Why Choosing the Right Path Matters More Than Taking the Obvious One&lt;\\\/strong&gt; Tim reveals how growing up at Westport Beach Club in the South Bay meant playing volleyball, surfing, and doing everything beach related from a young age while also excelling at football, basketball, and baseball. 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This episode offers a masterclass in asking for help and understanding that denying people the opportunity to serve actually hurts the relationship and makes them miss a blessing, demonstrating why pain is always temporary whether you&#8217;re climbing Lolo Pass with a loaded bicycle or responding to fatal overdoses as a first responder who never gets a break from carrying that heavy load, how the mission matters more than the miles when you&#8217;re riding to bring a message about mental health to communities across America, and why going through storms rather than around them teaches lessons that transform how you approach every hard thing that follows. Conrad opens up about becoming a filmmaker almost by accident 15 years ago and falling in love with documentary storytelling that let him meet amazing people and go on experiences normal people don&#8217;t get to have, doing ride alongs with law enforcement during the opioid crisis for his film Heroin&#8217;s Grip and asking one officer if PTSD was a thing only to hear her say if you want to make a movie about that I&#8217;ll do anything I can to help you, the reality that every community has first responders serving at their own risk physically but even more importantly mentally especially with defund police movements and recruiting shortages creating overtime and stress that keeps ratcheting up, why his primary sponsor Joe texted three weeks before departure saying I did something I bought an RV I&#8217;m coming with you which provided support that ranged from blocking traffic on a mile long Maryland bridge to being an hour away when they went days without seeing the crew, the pivotal moment riding up Lolo Pass in Montana when he looked at John and said our first responders are carrying a heavy load but they don&#8217;t get a break we&#8217;re going to stop at a cafe in a couple hours our pain is temporary but theirs lasts a lifetime so we can keep going, and how sitting in a hotel room after his front tire exploded 25 miles from the bike shop he realized all the broken spokes and punctured tubes happened so one gentleman could unload his story to someone who would listen because sometimes when you&#8217;re going through hard stuff you don&#8217;t understand why until later. &lt;strong&gt;Key Topics Discussed:&lt;\\\/strong&gt; &lt;strong&gt;From YouTube During COVID to Coast to Coast Mission: Why Bucket Lists Become Reality When Purpose Meets Preparation&lt;\\\/strong&gt; Conrad reveals how pulling the plug on cable during COVID and discovering Ryan Van Duzer&#8217;s bicycle travel videos transformed a years long bucket list item into an actual plan to ride across America. 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In this deeply authentic and inspiring conversation between two mountaineers who understand that life&#8217;s greatest achievements often emerge from our darkest moments, Jen shares her extraordinary journey from struggling with infertility and building a family of seven through IVF to nearly dying in a car accident that flipped her vehicle repeatedly and forced her to confront the some days list she&#8217;d been pushing away while being the good mom, to standing at Everest base camp where her kids tracked her progress from school and learned that going up and coming back down isn&#8217;t failure but progress, to losing friends like Rick Allen and Bam Bam on Broad Peak and K2 which ultimately shifted her perspective on what risks are worth taking. This episode offers a masterclass in choosing people over peaks and finding balance between pursuing excellence and being present for what matters most, demonstrating why giving yourself permission to do things that excite you makes you a happier healthier version of yourself which gives your kids permission to be happier healthier versions of themselves, how self guiding Denali with her 16 year old son and summiting together represented the perfect full circle moment after years of climbing alone, and why launching the Somedays app to help people get offline and into real life living their dreams represents the next chapter after proving mountains can be conquered but memories with family last forever. &lt;strong&gt;Key Topics Discussed:&lt;\\\/strong&gt; &lt;strong&gt;From Fertility Struggles to Seven Kids: Why Trying Anyway Changed Everything&lt;\\\/strong&gt; Jen reveals the often overlooked reality behind her family of seven, explaining how she struggled with fertility for years experiencing the monthly devastation of negative pregnancy tests and the shame story that the one thing she was born to do her body wouldn&#8217;t do. Discover why sitting in the fertility clinic parking lot sobbing before pulling herself together to go back inside became a regular ritual, and how a chemical cocktail that turned her into a hen producing more eggs in one cycle than the previous five years led to 14 embryos. Learn why planting two embryos at a time resulted in single births over and over until she had five boys, and how the final two embryos they said wouldn&#8217;t survive the thaw became twin girls completing her family of seven. 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Discover why his second experience teaching at West Point in the early 2000s showed him that reflection is the most critical component of leader development, and how the entire institution is structured around giving students leadership positions during the academic year, through sports, and during summer training opportunities where the stakes are high enough to matter but not life or death. Learn why students write essays in the core leadership class asking what happened this summer and what did I learn from that experience as a leader, and how this systematic approach to processing experiences creates leaders who understand that growth comes not from avoiding mistakes but from honestly assessing what went wrong and why. 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Mark opens up about arriving at the University of Washington as a high school star only to get his ass kicked for three years until he physically prepared his body to compete against UCLA, USC, Michigan, and Oklahoma, the devastating frustration of being roped to unprepared climbers on mountains like Denali, Aconcagua, and Vinson who didn&#8217;t do the work and dragged down the entire team&#8217;s pace and performance, why waking up at the exact same time every single morning regardless of time zone or fatigue has become non-negotiable discipline that compounds over years, and how his new book Finding Your Summit: How to Build Resilience and Faith to Rise Above Life&#8217;s Challenges captures the reality that he&#8217;s had more setbacks than wins despite all his accomplishments. &lt;strong&gt;Key Topics Discussed:&lt;\\\/strong&gt; &lt;strong&gt;The Five Dispositions: Choosing Your Level Before You Can Reach It&lt;\\\/strong&gt; Mark reveals the fundamental framework that determines everything about how far you&#8217;ll go in life. 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Hear about how Mark wakes up at the exact same time every single morning whether he&#8217;s in Europe climbing mountains, Sun Valley Idaho, New York, or Seattle, and why adjusting to time zones but maintaining that same discipline within each zone creates the foundation for everything else. &lt;strong&gt;Preparation Meets Opportunity: The Sports Illustrated Moment Three Years in the Making&lt;\\\/strong&gt; Discover the powerful story of how Mark went from high school star to getting destroyed at the University of Washington for three years before finally reaching the moment that defined his college career. Learn why arriving at UW as an undersized player who&#8217;d never worked a day in his life meant getting physically dominated by guys from UCLA, USC, Stanford, Cal, Michigan, and Oklahoma, and how legendary coach Don James began teaching him what discipline actually meant. 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In this deeply insightful conversation, Michael shares his revolutionary approach to performance that begins not with the mind but with recognizing how the body responds to pressure-packed situations, revealing why awareness of heart rate, muscle tension, breathing patterns, and posture matters more than trying to force change through willpower alone, how the gladiator mentality that serves athletes in competition often becomes the very thing that limits their success in life beyond sports, and why understanding the difference between fight, retreat, and play as physiological states unlocks creativity and sustainable excellence that grinding through pressure never can. This episode offers a masterclass in self-awareness and physiological intelligence, demonstrating why acknowledging and respecting how your body organizes itself in unfamiliar or high-stakes situations creates the foundation for transformation, how channeling nervous energy into attack mode works at certain levels but carries metabolic costs and limits opportunities for strategic pivots, and why the most elite performers like Patrick Mahomes operate in a state of play rather than constant battle even when surrounded by gladiators trying to take them down. Michael opens up about his work analyzing the Michael Phelps case study with Harvard students who despite their intellectual gifts face the same human pressures and insecurities as everyone else, the profound difference between proving something driven by fight physiology versus aspiring toward goals fueled by curiosity and exploration, why some athletes like Joe Flacco develop an adaptive detachment that serves them on the field but may carry unintended consequences in family life, and how recognizing that the physiology required for NFL success doesn&#8217;t translate to thriving in civilian life represents a level of awareness many never achieve. &lt;strong&gt;Key Topics Discussed:&lt;\\\/strong&gt; &lt;strong&gt;The Body Before the Mind: Why Physiological Awareness Unlocks Performance&lt;\\\/strong&gt; Michael reveals why he starts every coaching engagement not with mindset work but with helping clients recognize how their physiology responds to pressure. Discover why feeling your heart rate rise, noticing muscle tightening, observing shifts in posture and orientation, and even paying attention to the sounds you&#8217;re hearing matters more than trying to mentally force yourself into the right state. Learn why the first step is awareness, acceptance, and honoring how your body is organizing itself in relationship to an experience rather than trying to shove feelings down or stop them from happening. Michael explains why this applies not just to Michael Phelps stepping up to the block but to every conversation, every unfamiliar situation, and every moment where unpredictability and importance create physiological responses. Hear about how our bodies respond differently when we&#8217;re in situations that are unfamiliar, unpredictable, and important to us, and why recognizing these patterns without judgment creates the foundation for choosing how to relate to that energy in ways that might be more helpful. &lt;strong&gt;Fight Mode: The High Performer&#8217;s Trap That Works Until It Doesn&#8217;t&lt;\\\/strong&gt; Discover why channeling nervous energy into what Michael calls fight, attacking and going after it with intensity, locking in on opponents or execution, can take people pretty high in performance but comes with significant limitations. Learn why fight mode is certainly more performance-oriented than retreating or playing it safe, but it&#8217;s metabolically costly, limits creativity, and causes people to miss opportunities for different ways to solve problems or pivot strategies. 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Hear about the stark contrast between what business school teaches spreadsheets, economics, social media, marketing and the complete absence of leadership development, leaving 24 year olds to zigzag through corporate careers until they suddenly become CEOs expected to lead organizations full of diverse personalities without any training in what matters most.&nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;The Family Business Crossroads: When Personal Values Diverge from Company Direction&lt;\\\/strong&gt;&nbsp;Discover the difficult but necessary decision Jeff made after 18 years as the face of the Ram Restaurant &amp; Brewery, a family business where he&#8217;d invested blood, sweat, and his entire adult professional life. Learn why despite the company being in a very good spot financially and the business being healthy, there emerged a divergence of company values and personal values that stifled his ability to be a genuine authentic leader. Jeff explains how this wasn&#8217;t about anything nefarious or dishonest but simply about not being able to be the best version of himself and lead in an authentic way, and why he believes you cannot just read a book and lead like Howard Schultz or Ron Shaich but must do it genuinely from something innately born, honed, and refined within yourself. Hear about the bittersweet nature of taking a step backwards from something you&#8217;ve invested so much of yourself into, and why charting his own course became essential even though walking away from family and 18 years of building was one of the hardest decisions he ever made.&nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;Finding Lightning in a Bottle: The Search for HopDoddy and What Makes a Scalable Brand&lt;\\\/strong&gt;&nbsp;Jeff unveils what he learned about himself during the transition period between the Ram and his next opportunity, and why understanding your own strengths and weaknesses allows you to find the right fit rather than forcing yourself into the wrong role. &lt;\\\/p&gt;\\n&quot;,&quot;author&quot;:&quot;Mark Pattison&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;July 15, 2026&quot;,&quot;link&quot;:&quot;https:\\\/\\\/episode.flightcast.com\\\/01KXKE5KHGWERX0V8N5MN9YPX0.mp3&quot;,&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https:\\\/\\\/episode.flightcast.com\\\/01KXKE5KHGWERX0V8N5MN9YPX0.mp3&quot;,&quot;featured&quot;:&quot;https:\\\/\\\/files.flightcast.com\\\/workspaces\\\/tx41vu48dmvvdh8o84nxww8x\\\/01KXKE72BETTHH6BM1WMQVMED5\\\/jeff_chandler_thumbnail.jpg&quot;,&quot;featured_id&quot;:0,&quot;mediatype&quot;:&quot;audio&quot;,&quot;season&quot;:2,&quot;categories&quot;:[],&quot;duration&quot;:&quot;37:00&quot;,&quot;episodetype&quot;:&quot;full&quot;,&quot;source_mime&quot;:&quot;audio\\\/mpeg&quot;,&quot;source_format&quot;:&quot;mp3&quot;,&quot;is_hls&quot;:0,&quot;timestamp&quot;:1784142000,&quot;key&quot;:&quot;1cad18297be370a9bfefc653f7acaee0&quot;,&quot;fset&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;fratio&quot;:1},&quot;ppe-1265-11&quot;:{&quot;title&quot;:&quot;EP: Fred Couples &#8211; From Jefferson Park to the Masters: A Seattle Golf Legend&#8217;s Journey&quot;,&quot;description&quot;:&quot;&lt;p class=\\&quot;text-node\\&quot;&gt;Host Mark Pattison sits down with&nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;Fred Couples&lt;\\\/strong&gt;, a legendary PGA Tour champion, Masters winner, and one of golf&#8217;s most beloved figures who has spent over four decades competing at the highest levels of professional golf while maintaining one of the smoothest swings the game has ever seen. In this deeply personal and entertaining conversation, Fred shares his extraordinary journey from a nine year old caddy at Seattle&#8217;s Jefferson Park Golf Course to winning the Green Jacket at Augusta in 1992, revealing why growing up on tiny greens with severe slopes made him one of the best iron players on tour, how his college roommate Jim Nance became CBS&#8217;s iconic Masters broadcaster, and why staying clean and sober in a sport filled with pressure allowed him to remember every shot while others forgot their greatest moments. This episode offers a masterclass in longevity and authenticity, demonstrating why visualization matters more than mechanics when the pressure is on, how working class roots and blue collar parents instilled the work ethic that sustained a career spanning multiple generations, and why the simplest advice be yourself creates the most genuine success both on the course and in life. Fred opens up about his father working two jobs at Dairy Gold and the Woodland Park Zoo so the family could survive, the devastating back injury in 1990 that has plagued him for 31 years but never required surgery, the heartbreaking years caring for his wife Thais as she battled breast cancer down to 68 pounds, and why his friendship with Tiger Woods is built on trust and leaving each other alone rather than constant contact.&nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;Key Topics Discussed:&lt;\\\/strong&gt;&nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;The Gutter Lane at Jefferson Park: How Seattle&#8217;s Public Course Built a Champion&lt;\\\/strong&gt;&nbsp;Fred reveals the humble beginnings that shaped his entire approach to golf and created the foundation for his Hall of Fame career. Growing up as a kid who didn&#8217;t fit in after his family moved to Beacon Hill, he found refuge caddying for his brother&#8217;s friend Steve Dallas at age nine and falling in love with the game on Jefferson Park&#8217;s nine hole par three course where he could play all day for three dollars and fifty cents. Discover why being the weakest player in his group meant getting thrown in the gutter lane to just keep grinding, and how Jefferson&#8217;s tiny greens with severe slopes forced him to develop pinpoint iron accuracy that would become his greatest weapon on tour. Learn why Fred believes growing up on that humble public track was the greatest thing that ever happened to him because if you can hit the first green at Jefferson Park you can hit the first green at Pebble Beach or anywhere the PGA Tour plays. Hear about playing in constant rain and cold without a glove because his parents couldn&#8217;t afford to keep replacing seven dollar gloves that got ruined in Seattle weather, and why that necessity created the signature no glove grip that defined his entire career.&nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;The University of Houston and the Roommate Who Became a Broadcasting Legend&lt;\\\/strong&gt;&nbsp;Discover the remarkable stroke of fate that placed Fred in a dorm room with Jim Nance, the future voice of CBS Sports and the Masters, when both were just 17 and 18 years old. Fred explains why their coach would repeatedly say Jim Nance is going to be president someday while never predicting Fred or teammate Blaine McAllister would become tour champions, and how Jim was already making 25 to 35 thousand dollars as a sophomore selling clips to API and UPI while his roommates scraped by. Learn about Jim coming home at night with clips of Nolan Ryan and Warren Moon and practicing his broadcast calls by announcing Fred and Blaine coming up the 18th hole at Augusta, interviewing them in their dorm room years before it would actually happen. Hear about the emotional moment in Butler Cabin in 1992 when Fred won the Masters and had to avoid looking at Jim&#8217;s face during the interview because seeing his college roommate presenting him the Green Jacket was the hardest thing he ever did, and why both of them broke down crying the moment they went off air.&nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;The 1992 Masters: When Visualization Became Reality in Butler Cabin&lt;\\\/strong&gt;&lt;\\\/p&gt;\\n&quot;,&quot;author&quot;:&quot;Mark Pattison&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;July 7, 2026&quot;,&quot;link&quot;:&quot;https:\\\/\\\/episode.flightcast.com\\\/01KWHSF55Q60X1GHCRKDFKZFD9.mp3&quot;,&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https:\\\/\\\/episode.flightcast.com\\\/01KWHSF55Q60X1GHCRKDFKZFD9.mp3&quot;,&quot;featured&quot;:&quot;https:\\\/\\\/files.flightcast.com\\\/workspaces\\\/tx41vu48dmvvdh8o84nxww8x\\\/01KWHSGK4XNJ323Y09WYV7RVHP\\\/chatgpt_image_jul_1__2026__10_29_49_am.jpg&quot;,&quot;featured_id&quot;:0,&quot;mediatype&quot;:&quot;audio&quot;,&quot;season&quot;:2,&quot;categories&quot;:[],&quot;duration&quot;:&quot;01:01:35&quot;,&quot;episodetype&quot;:&quot;full&quot;,&quot;source_mime&quot;:&quot;audio\\\/mpeg&quot;,&quot;source_format&quot;:&quot;mp3&quot;,&quot;is_hls&quot;:0,&quot;timestamp&quot;:1783432800,&quot;key&quot;:&quot;1716033b68913339b6d29608083bf187&quot;,&quot;fset&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;fratio&quot;:1},&quot;ppe-1265-12&quot;:{&quot;title&quot;:&quot;EP: Tim O&#8217;Donnell &#8211; From Naval Academy Swimmer to Ironman Podium: Chasing the Kona Dream&quot;,&quot;description&quot;:&quot;&lt;p class=\\&quot;text-node\\&quot;&gt;Welcome back to Finding Your Summit! Host Mark Pattison sits down with Tim O&#8217;Donnell, a professional Ironman triathlete, over 50-time podium finisher, and endurance athlete who has competed at the highest levels of triathlon for nearly two decades, establishing himself as one of the most consistent performers at the Ironman World Championship in Kona. In this inspiring conversation, Tim shares his extraordinary journey from a struggling distance swimmer in a Northern California swimming family to becoming a top contender at the world&#8217;s most prestigious endurance event, revealing why the ability to embrace discomfort became his superpower, how focusing on one day a year instead of over-racing throughout the season created sustainability with sponsors, and why pivoting away from Olympic dreams at the peak of his national team career to chase Ironman glory required the courage to bet on himself when no one else saw it coming. This episode offers a masterclass in resilience as a system rather than a trait, demonstrating why the lessons learned from swimming 2.4 miles, biking 112 miles, and running a full marathon in under eight hours apply to every challenge in life, how building the right support team around an individual sport makes the magic happen, and why stepping back from racing now allows Tim to teach others that resilience isn&#8217;t something you&#8217;re born with but a process anyone can learn through his Built Forward framework of reset, reframe, and rebuild forward. Tim opens up about his older brother forcing him to try out for the Naval Academy triathlon team when he hated the sport, the electric energy on the pier in Kona where the fittest endurance athletes in the world gather at their peak with anxiety and anticipation crackling in the air, and why leaving altitude three to four weeks before race day to fine-tune at sea level became the secret weapon that elevated his performances when it mattered most. Key Topics Discussed: The Worst Swimmer in the Family: How the Gutter Lane Built a Champion Tim reveals the humble beginnings that shaped his entire approach to endurance sports and life. Growing up as the youngest of four brothers in a swimming family where everyone swam competitively, he was the worst swimmer and couldn&#8217;t compete in the sprint events or technical strokes. Discover why coaches threw him in the distance lane, what he calls the gutter lane, and made him just keep training really hard doing endless laps staring at the black line on the bottom of the pool. Learn about the pivotal moment at age 12 or 13 during a brutal test set of eight 400 IM races from a dive, arguably the hardest swimming event, when the kid in the end lane that no one was paying attention to started beating people as the sets got longer. Tim explains how this clicked for him that his superpower wasn&#8217;t speed but resilience, the ability to work hard and push through when everyone else was fading, and why this realization at such a young age became the foundation for everything that followed in triathlon and beyond. The Naval Academy and the Brother Who Changed Everything Discover the family connection that altered Tim&#8217;s entire life trajectory. All three of his older brothers attended the United States Naval Academy, and when Tim arrived as a plebe freshman, his brother Thomas was still there and forced him to try out for the triathlon team even though Tim was on the varsity swim team. Learn why Tim initially hated triathlon and kept at it anyway, and how by his junior year after finishing his sophomore year he realized this might be what he wanted to do with his life. Hear about the courage it took to stop swimming at the peak of his college swimming career when he was having breakout performances that shocked his coaches, and why having the foresight to shift direction when you&#8217;re at the top of one thing to chase something greater requires betting on yourself in a way most people never do. Tim explains how his swimming pedigree gave him a six foot five wingspan despite being just under six feet tall, and why understanding that elite marathoners are all legs while elite swimmers like Michael Phelps are all torso helped him recognize his physical advantages. Kona: The Electric Energy and Brutal Reality of the Ironman World Championship Tim unveils what it&#8217;s actually like to compete at triathlon&#8217;s Super Bowl where the fittest endurance athletes in the world converge on the Big Island of Hawaii at their absolute peak. Discover why there&#8217;s an energy on the island that impacts the entire day, and how standing on the pier in the morning with hundreds of athletes experiencing anxiety, anticipation, and electric tension creates an atmosphere unlike any other race. Learn about the unique challenges of Kona including the different salinity of the ocean that causes cramping and vomiting, four to five hours on the bike through lava rock with the sun pounding down, &lt;\\\/p&gt;\\n&quot;,&quot;author&quot;:&quot;Mark Pattison&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;June 30, 2026&quot;,&quot;link&quot;:&quot;https:\\\/\\\/episode.flightcast.com\\\/01KVZYYW4P3F5AEYDME5NBTW4T.mp3&quot;,&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https:\\\/\\\/episode.flightcast.com\\\/01KVZYYW4P3F5AEYDME5NBTW4T.mp3&quot;,&quot;featured&quot;:&quot;https:\\\/\\\/files.flightcast.com\\\/workspaces\\\/tx41vu48dmvvdh8o84nxww8x\\\/01KVZZ159JGMT3PD0H5NTYJESK\\\/tim_odonnell_pic.jpg&quot;,&quot;featured_id&quot;:0,&quot;mediatype&quot;:&quot;audio&quot;,&quot;season&quot;:2,&quot;categories&quot;:[],&quot;duration&quot;:&quot;29:30&quot;,&quot;episodetype&quot;:&quot;full&quot;,&quot;source_mime&quot;:&quot;audio\\\/mpeg&quot;,&quot;source_format&quot;:&quot;mp3&quot;,&quot;is_hls&quot;:0,&quot;timestamp&quot;:1782820860,&quot;key&quot;:&quot;6a2decf3501933fdaf8d4598b24cbfd3&quot;,&quot;fset&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;fratio&quot;:1},&quot;ppe-1265-13&quot;:{&quot;title&quot;:&quot;EP 296: Mike Hulbert &#8211; From PGA Tour Champion to CBS Rules Expert: Inside the Ropes&quot;,&quot;description&quot;:&quot;&lt;p class=\\&quot;text-node\\&quot;&gt;&#8220;&lt;strong&gt;Welcome back to Finding Your Summit!&lt;\\\/strong&gt;&nbsp;Host Mark Pattison sits down with&nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;Mike Hulbert&lt;\\\/strong&gt;, a three-time PGA Tour winner, 26-time major championship competitor, and CBS Sports rules analyst who has spent over four decades at the highest levels of professional golf. In this entertaining and insightful conversation, Mike shares his extraordinary journey from winning the FedEx St. Jude Classic in his second year on tour to playing in four Masters tournaments, competing alongside legends like Arnold Palmer and Jack Nicklaus, and ultimately transitioning to a 15-year career with CBS as the network&#8217;s golf rules expert. This episode offers a masterclass in golf excellence and longevity, demonstrating why course management and a world-class short game separated the greatest players from everyone else, how the transition from persimmon clubs to modern technology has transformed the sport, and why maintaining relationships and staying connected to the game creates opportunities long after competitive careers end. Mike opens up about the surreal moment of winning his first tour event and immediately knowing he&#8217;d earned a Masters invitation, the stark differences between Tiger Woods and Rory McIlroy&#8217;s games, and why Tiger&#8217;s elite short game made him nearly unbeatable in his prime despite Rory being the superior driver of the golf ball.&nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;Key Topics Discussed:&lt;\\\/strong&gt;&nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;The First Tour Win: When Victory Means Augusta&lt;\\\/strong&gt;&nbsp;Mike reveals the unforgettable moment in 1986 when he won the FedEx St. Jude Classic at Colonial Country Club in Memphis, beating his close friend Joey Sindelar by one stroke after stiffing a shot on the 18th hole. Discover why the very first thought that entered his mind after sinking that 12-inch winning putt was &#8220;I&#8217;m going to the Masters,&#8221; and how earning that coveted invitation represented the culmination of years of grinding to get on tour in 1984. Learn about the dramatic final hole where Joey was already in the clubhouse tied for the lead, standing behind the green watching as Mike faced the pressure shot of his young career. Mike explains why winning early in his career was so crucial because you never know if you&#8217;ll get another chance, and how that first victory validated all the sacrifices and hard work required to compete at the highest level.&nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;Augusta National: The One Place That Never Changes&lt;\\\/strong&gt;&nbsp;Mike shares what makes the Masters different from every other major championship and why it holds a special place in every professional golfer&#8217;s heart. Unlike the US Open, PGA Championship, and Open Championship which rotate venues, Augusta National remains constant year after year, creating a unique opportunity for players to build course knowledge and experience. Discover why Augusta&#8217;s strict policies including the complete ban on cell phones even decades ago created an atmosphere of respect and tradition that other majors couldn&#8217;t match, and how spectators who misbehave are escorted down Magnolia Lane and out to Washington Road without hesitation. Learn about Mike&#8217;s 15 years working for CBS at the Masters as their rules analyst, giving him the privilege of experiencing this iconic venue from both sides as competitor and broadcaster. Mike explains why even among the four majors he played in throughout his career, the Masters never lost its magic or its ability to inspire reverence from players and fans alike.&nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;The Big Three: Arnold, Jack, and Tiger&#8217;s Common Thread&lt;\\\/strong&gt;&nbsp;Mike unveils what separated Arnold Palmer, Jack Nicklaus, and Tiger Woods from every other player of their respective generations. Growing up idolizing Jack Nicklaus, Mike witnessed firsthand how the Golden Bear&#8217;s course management and ability to deliver under pressure made him nearly unbeatable when holding a lead coming down the stretch. Discover why Jack&#8217;s mastery with a one iron, now an obsolete club, exceeded most players&#8217; abilities with their modern hybrids, and how he strategically missed greens in positions where he could use his putter even through rough. Learn about Mike&#8217;s friendship with Arnold Palmer as a member at Bay Hill, and why Mr. Palmer&#8217;s first words whenever he saw Mike were always &#8220;Do you need anything?&#8221; revealing the generosity and class that made him beloved beyond his seven major championships. Mike explains how all three legends were &#8220;needle movers&#8221; for television, drawing audiences that transformed golf into a mainstream sport, and why their professionalism extended to spending hours every day signing memorabilia and responding to fans.&nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;Tiger vs. Rory: &lt;\\\/strong&gt;&lt;\\\/p&gt;\\n&quot;,&quot;author&quot;:&quot;Mark Pattison&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;June 29, 2026&quot;,&quot;link&quot;:&quot;https:\\\/\\\/episode.flightcast.com\\\/01KSJNATKM8CVERP85QSC8402R.mp3&quot;,&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https:\\\/\\\/episode.flightcast.com\\\/01KSJNATKM8CVERP85QSC8402R.mp3&quot;,&quot;featured&quot;:&quot;https:\\\/\\\/files.flightcast.com\\\/workspaces\\\/tx41vu48dmvvdh8o84nxww8x\\\/01KSJNC1WNYPTM5N0EC26TPDCP\\\/mike_hulbert_final_pic.jpg&quot;,&quot;featured_id&quot;:0,&quot;mediatype&quot;:&quot;audio&quot;,&quot;season&quot;:2,&quot;categories&quot;:[],&quot;duration&quot;:&quot;35:38&quot;,&quot;episodetype&quot;:&quot;full&quot;,&quot;source_mime&quot;:&quot;audio\\\/mpeg&quot;,&quot;source_format&quot;:&quot;mp3&quot;,&quot;is_hls&quot;:0,&quot;timestamp&quot;:1782746057,&quot;key&quot;:&quot;17efac57e21edd1ba78ff34bc79d73e8&quot;,&quot;fset&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;fratio&quot;:1},&quot;ppe-1265-14&quot;:{&quot;title&quot;:&quot;EP 298:  Frank Fumich:  Surviving Mt EVERST and living to tell about it.&quot;,&quot;description&quot;:&quot;&lt;p class=\\&quot;text-node\\&quot;&gt;&#8220;&lt;strong&gt;Welcome back to Finding Your Summit!&lt;\\\/strong&gt;&nbsp;Host Mark Pattison reconnects with&nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;Frank Fumich&lt;\\\/strong&gt;, an accomplished adventure athlete and mountaineer who just returned from successfully summiting Mount Everest using a revolutionary three-week rapid ascent approach after pre-acclimatizing for two months in a hypoxic tent in his Virginia guest room. In this raw and deeply emotional conversation recorded just weeks after Frank descended from the world&#8217;s highest peak, he shares the harrowing reality of what actually happened during his Everest expedition, revealing why money cannot buy your way up the mountain, how running out of oxygen on descent created a life-threatening moment he hasn&#8217;t fully shared with his wife, and why standing next to the frozen body of a climber while waiting in two-way traffic on the Hillary Step delivered the sobering reminder that nobody who stays on that mountain ever thought they would be the one who didn&#8217;t come home. This episode offers a masterclass in survival, humility, and life perspective, demonstrating why the summit doesn&#8217;t matter when life matters, how the most dangerous moment often comes on the descent when exhaustion and oxygen depletion create deadly conditions, and why the experience of looking over the edge forces you to confront what truly matters when you have a family waiting at home. Frank opens up about the devastating moment his teammate turned around at the Hillary Step and made the admirable decision to prioritize his family over his summit dream, the week-long delay caused by the massive serac in the Khumbu Icefall that made international news, and why he spent the final moments on summit day locked in total concentration knowing this was life or death and not some fun adventure.\\\\n\\\\n&lt;strong&gt;Key Topics Discussed:&lt;\\\/strong&gt;\\\\n\\\\n&lt;strong&gt;The Reality Check: When Pre-Acclimatization Meets Altitude&#8217;s Brutal Truth&lt;\\\/strong&gt;\\\\nFrank reveals that despite two months of sleeping in a hypoxic tent and successfully climbing Mera Peak at 21,500 feet, his body simply did not respond well to extreme altitude. Discover why even simple exertion at base camp sent him into total panting fits that were genuinely scary, how he learned he had to take measured steps and avoid sudden movements or risk gassing out completely, and why just practicing skills on the glacier below base camp taught him that his physiology was going to make this climb far more difficult than anticipated. Learn about the shocking reality that he had zero appetite throughout the expedition, struggled to eat even at base camp where nice food was available, and how forcing down an entire bag of sausage and cheese at high camp before the summit push may have saved his life. Frank explains why the pre-acclimatization strategy is still the best and safest way to climb Everest by reducing Khumbu Icefall exposure from six passages to one, but it cannot change how your individual body responds once you&#8217;re actually living at extreme altitude.\\\\n\\\\n&lt;strong&gt;The Khumbu Icefall Awakening: Six Hours Fifteen Minutes of Vertical Hell&lt;\\\/strong&gt;\\\\nDiscover why the Khumbu Icefall on day one became one of Frank&#8217;s hardest days on the entire expedition. Leaving at midnight and climbing for over six hours through the constantly shifting maze of ice blocks, Frank found himself so physically gassed on technical vertical walls that he had to stop mid-climb and catch his breath while climbers backed up behind him. Learn why he wasn&#8217;t thinking about the danger of ice blocks collapsing because the physical demand was so overwhelming, and how this early experience made him realize he needed to slow everything down or he would never make it. Hear about Mark&#8217;s experience dry heaving at Camp Two on his first rotation despite living at 6,000 feet and training at 10,000 feet daily, and why the Khumbu&#8217;s combination of extreme exertion, technical climbing with heavy packs, and doing essentially a thousand pull-ups while gaining altitude creates a devastating introduction to what lies ahead.\\\\n\\\\n&lt;strong&gt;Standing Next to Death: The Body on the Hillary Step&lt;\\\/strong&gt;\\\\nFrank shares the chilling moment that brought the mountain&#8217;s deadly reality into sharp focus. As he stood on the narrow technical section just after the Hillary Step waiting for two-way traffic to clear, he realized he was standing with his left crampon just two inches from the frozen body of a climber who never made it home. Discover how Mark revealed this was his tent mate from Antarctica, Don Cash, lying in a small nest of snow on that exposed rock where maintaining purchase on crampons is incredibly difficult. Learn why Frank stood there for five minutes staring at this sobering reminder that nobody on that mountain ever thought they would be the one who stayed, and how this moment reinforced that this was serious business where every decision and every step mattered. Hear about the poor climber Frank&#8217;s team watched pass away during their expedition, and why these experiences fundamentally changed his perspective on what he was asking his family to endure.\\\\n\\\\n&lt;\\\/p&gt;\\n&quot;,&quot;author&quot;:&quot;Mark Pattison&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;June 16, 2026&quot;,&quot;link&quot;:&quot;https:\\\/\\\/episode.flightcast.com\\\/01KTVWXSVCAHKQNJZDQC6RPDKA.mp3&quot;,&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https:\\\/\\\/episode.flightcast.com\\\/01KTVWXSVCAHKQNJZDQC6RPDKA.mp3&quot;,&quot;featured&quot;:&quot;https:\\\/\\\/files.flightcast.com\\\/workspaces\\\/tx41vu48dmvvdh8o84nxww8x\\\/01KTVWZCPBN2W70D52GHRCNGAC\\\/chatgpt_image_jun_11__2026__10_28_42_am.jpg&quot;,&quot;featured_id&quot;:0,&quot;mediatype&quot;:&quot;audio&quot;,&quot;season&quot;:2,&quot;categories&quot;:[],&quot;duration&quot;:&quot;35:10&quot;,&quot;episodetype&quot;:&quot;full&quot;,&quot;source_mime&quot;:&quot;audio\\\/mpeg&quot;,&quot;source_format&quot;:&quot;mp3&quot;,&quot;is_hls&quot;:0,&quot;timestamp&quot;:1781611200,&quot;key&quot;:&quot;0d25b25e059651368f416c3cea923fd9&quot;,&quot;fset&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;fratio&quot;:1},&quot;ppe-1265-15&quot;:{&quot;title&quot;:&quot;EP 297: Yuriy Boyechko &#8211; CEO of Hope for Ukraine: Surviving Human Safari and Drone Warfare&quot;,&quot;description&quot;:&quot;&lt;p class=\\&quot;text-node\\&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Welcome back to Finding Your Summit!&lt;\\\/strong&gt; Host Mark Pattison reconnects with &lt;strong&gt;Yuriy Boyechko&lt;\\\/strong&gt;, CEO of Hope for Ukraine, a humanitarian organization operating in the most dangerous war zones of Eastern Europe, delivering life-saving aid to civilians trapped in cities under constant drone surveillance and artillery bombardment. In this urgent and deeply sobering conversation recorded in May 2026, Yuriy provides a real-time update on what has become one of the most brutal and overlooked humanitarian crises of our time, revealing why the war that began in 2022 has evolved from conventional combat into what he calls &#8220;human safari,&#8221; where Russian forces use AI-powered drones to hunt individual civilians on the streets, drop mines disguised as donuts into playgrounds, and systematically terrorize populations to force entire cities into abandonment. This episode offers a masterclass in courage under fire and humanitarian persistence, demonstrating why ordinary people with extraordinary determination can hold back the second largest army in the world, how volunteers risk their lives driving 140 kilometers per hour through drone-infested zones to deliver food packages, and why the 60,000 civilians still living in basement cities like Kherson represent the front line of democracy itself. Yuriy opens up about the evolution from operating on hope in 2022 to operating on &#8220;define hope&#8221; in 2026, the devastating reality that four million internally displaced Ukrainians have nowhere to go because safe areas are priced beyond reach, and why his forthcoming book captures the stories of regular people whose courage is rewriting what humanity thought possible in the face of relentless aggression.\\\\n\\\\n&lt;strong&gt;Key Topics Discussed:&lt;\\\/strong&gt;\\\\n\\\\n&lt;strong&gt;From Hope to Define Hope: Four Years of War and the World Has Moved On&lt;\\\/strong&gt;\\\\nYuriy reveals the stark difference between 2022 when every aid organization in the world flooded into Ukraine and 2026 when only the most committed teams remain. Discover why he and Mark originally spoke at the end of 2022 when Yuriy believed the war would be over in three to six months, and the crushing reality that four years later the situation is worse than ever with no end in sight. Learn why Hope for Ukraine has shifted from operating on hope to operating on &#8220;define hope,&#8221; acknowledging that optimism alone cannot sustain humanitarian operations when the global news cycle has moved on to Iran and other crises. Yuriy explains why the teams that remain are those who simply cannot leave because abandoning these populations would mean certain death for thousands, and how the mathematics of survival have become brutally simple when you&#8217;re one of the few organizations still willing to enter the kill zones.\\\\n\\\\n&lt;strong&gt;Human Safari: The Drone Warfare Revolution That Changed Everything&lt;\\\/strong&gt;\\\\nDiscover the terrifying new reality of modern urban warfare that Yuriy calls &#8220;human safari.&#8221; Unlike 2022 when aid convoys could drive into cities, distribute supplies, and leave without incident, 2026 has brought AI-powered drones that constantly patrol the skies above cities like Kherson, hunting for any sign of human movement. Learn why a simple trip to a coffee shop can result in a missile strike within minutes, how Russian forces use drones as spotters to pinpoint individual civilians and launch targeted attacks, and why the only defense is driving at 110 to 140 kilometers per hour while scanning the sky and listening for the telltale buzzing sound. Yuriy shares the devastating story of a family taking their two young daughters to a playground when a missile strike killed the father and injured the mother and both children, ages five and three, illustrating why Kherson has become what he describes as a total war crime scene.\\\\n\\\\n&lt;strong&gt;The Three Hour Window: How Aid Missions Work in a Basement City&lt;\\\/strong&gt;\\\\nYuriy unveils the precise and dangerous choreography required to deliver humanitarian aid in 2026. Teams load vans with food, hygiene products, and supplies in western Ukraine, then drive overnight to a staging area 60 kilometers from Kherson where they sleep. At 4 AM they wake and make the high-speed run into the city with one driver pushing maximum speed while two spotters watch through windows and listen for drones, using detection devices to identify threats. Discover why Kherson is now called &#8220;basement city&#8221; because residents spend most of their time underground, only rushing out when the aid van arrives to grab a food kit before retreating to safety. Learn about the two to three hour operational window before drone activity makes the mission impossible, why the team parks under trees for concealment, and how reducing exposure to the deadly Khumbu Icefall equivalent\\u2014the journey through drone zones\\u2014from six passages to one represents a massive safety improvement in humanitarian &lt;\\\/p&gt;\\n&quot;,&quot;author&quot;:&quot;MARK PATTISON&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;June 9, 2026&quot;,&quot;link&quot;:&quot;https:\\\/\\\/episode.flightcast.com\\\/01KTP0G0EER40PCEGZ3G04B1V3.mp3&quot;,&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https:\\\/\\\/episode.flightcast.com\\\/01KTP0G0EER40PCEGZ3G04B1V3.mp3&quot;,&quot;featured&quot;:&quot;https:\\\/\\\/files.flightcast.com\\\/workspaces\\\/tx41vu48dmvvdh8o84nxww8x\\\/01KTP0GPW08PY9X46P143NBZK0\\\/yuriy_boyechiko_final_pic.jpg&quot;,&quot;featured_id&quot;:0,&quot;mediatype&quot;:&quot;audio&quot;,&quot;season&quot;:2,&quot;categories&quot;:[],&quot;duration&quot;:&quot;29:22&quot;,&quot;episodetype&quot;:&quot;full&quot;,&quot;source_mime&quot;:&quot;audio\\\/mpeg&quot;,&quot;source_format&quot;:&quot;mp3&quot;,&quot;is_hls&quot;:0,&quot;timestamp&quot;:1781010000,&quot;key&quot;:&quot;9d6bcf626e9e05c57744996645ca4f65&quot;,&quot;fset&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;fratio&quot;:1},&quot;ppe-1265-16&quot;:{&quot;title&quot;:&quot;EP 296: David Meltzer &#8211; From Sports Agent to Gratitude Guru: Empowering a Billion People&quot;,&quot;description&quot;:&quot;&lt;p class=\\&quot;text-node\\&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Welcome back to Finding Your Summit!&lt;\\\/strong&gt; Host Mark Pattison sits down with &lt;strong&gt;David Meltzer&lt;\\\/strong&gt;, a renowned entrepreneur, sports executive, bestselling author, and one of the most sought-after motivational speakers in the world who has made it his life&#8217;s mission to empower over a billion people to be happy by making a lot of money for the sake of helping others and having fun. In this energizing and deeply inspiring conversation, David shares his extraordinary journey from running the most notable sports agency in the world under legendary agent Lee Steinberg to becoming chairman of the Unstoppable Foundation, chief chancellor of Junior Achievement, and chairman of the Napoleon Hill Institute, revealing why the simple act of saying thank you before bed and upon waking has more power to transform your life than any complex personal development program. This episode offers a masterclass in gratitude, purpose, and conscious relationship building, demonstrating why surrounding yourself with people aligned with your divine direction creates exponential value, how ditching toxicity and negative influences allows you to fly higher than you ever imagined possible, and why the simplest things we do consistently and persistently in pursuit of our potential create the most extraordinary outcomes. David opens up about being purposefully named by his single mother with six kids as a beloved servant, the profound lesson Lee Steinberg taught him about never negotiating to the last penny and not doing business with difficult people, and why his experiences building sustainable villages in Kenya and Tanzania with Warren Moon represent the most meaningful work of his entire career. &lt;strong&gt;Key Topics Discussed:&lt;\\\/strong&gt; &lt;strong&gt;The Billion Person Mission: How a Thousand Times a Thousand Creates Global Impact&lt;\\\/strong&gt; David unveils his audacious mission to empower over a billion people to be happy, and the surprisingly simple math that makes this seemingly impossible goal achievable. Discover how he realized that God would not give him an invitation without already knowing his limitations, and how this revelation set him free to figure out the path forward. Learn why the mission comes down to finding a thousand people like Mark who will empower another thousand to empower a thousand more, creating the mathematical progression where a thousand times a thousand equals a million, and a million times a thousand equals a billion. David explains why he&#8217;s never met anyone who makes a lot of money for the sake of helping others and having fun who isn&#8217;t happy, and how creating this collective consciousness in his lifetime simply requires identifying and empowering the right thousand influencers who share his values and vision. &lt;strong&gt;The Power of Thank You: The Most Agreed Upon Way to Change Your Life&lt;\\\/strong&gt; Discover the deceptively simple practice that David credits as the foundation of his entire philosophy and the easiest way to transform your existence. Learn why saying thank you before you go to bed and when you wake up is free, takes point one seconds, and represents the most agreed upon method for life change whether you&#8217;re a world thought leader, an NFL superstar, or someone just starting their journey. David explains why it&#8217;s nearly impossible to be angry and grateful at the same time, making gratitude the ultimate choice in how we experience each moment. Hear about the greater lesson of gratitude for life itself, and why doubling down on the simple things that are simple not to do creates exponential value when they become non-negotiables like sleep, family, health, faith, and the study of finance, time, and relativity. &lt;strong&gt;Named with Definite Purpose: David Means Beloved, Meltzer Means Servant&lt;\\\/strong&gt; David shares the profound origin story of his name and how his single mother raising six kids purposefully gave him an identity that would shape his entire life trajectory. Discover how David means beloved and his last name Meltzer actually means waiter or servant, and how his mother made him live up to his name as a beloved servant to provide value to other people. Learn why in honor of his name and the definiteness of purpose his mom gave to that meaning, he gives that same meaning to his own life and aligns his past with this divine direction. David explains how this early framework created by his mother became the foundation for everything he does, from his speaking career to his charitable work to his mission of empowering billions. &lt;strong&gt;Lee Steinberg&#8217;s Three Rules: Never Negotiate to the Last Penny, Always Be Fair, Don&#8217;t Do Business with Dicks&lt;\\\/strong&gt; Discover the wisdom David gained from working under legendary sports agent Lee Steinberg, who represented eight first round draft picks in a row and created more charities than all other sports agencies combined. Learn about the three principles Lee taught David that became the title of his controversial but highly marketable book from Simon &amp; Schuster,. &lt;\\\/p&gt;\\n&quot;,&quot;author&quot;:&quot;MARK PATTISON&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;June 2, 2026&quot;,&quot;link&quot;:&quot;https:\\\/\\\/episode.flightcast.com\\\/01KSWJHXWT15K07ZFW02JTYHMM.mp3&quot;,&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https:\\\/\\\/episode.flightcast.com\\\/01KSWJHXWT15K07ZFW02JTYHMM.mp3&quot;,&quot;featured&quot;:&quot;https:\\\/\\\/files.flightcast.com\\\/workspaces\\\/tx41vu48dmvvdh8o84nxww8x\\\/01KSWJNN5WRRBKKE942WS9E0FK\\\/david_meltzer_final_pic_.jpg&quot;,&quot;featured_id&quot;:0,&quot;mediatype&quot;:&quot;audio&quot;,&quot;season&quot;:2,&quot;categories&quot;:[],&quot;duration&quot;:&quot;21:27&quot;,&quot;episodetype&quot;:&quot;full&quot;,&quot;source_mime&quot;:&quot;audio\\\/mpeg&quot;,&quot;source_format&quot;:&quot;mp3&quot;,&quot;is_hls&quot;:0,&quot;timestamp&quot;:1780401600,&quot;key&quot;:&quot;cdf30c906dc2d45030fa25beeabf482f&quot;,&quot;fset&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;fratio&quot;:1},&quot;ppe-1265-17&quot;:{&quot;title&quot;:&quot;EP 295: Ted Nugent &#8211; From Motor City Mayhem to Clean &amp; Sober Rock Legend&quot;,&quot;description&quot;:&quot;&lt;p class=\\&quot;text-node\\&quot;&gt;Welcome back to Finding Your Summit! Host Mark Pattison sits down with Ted Nugent, the legendary rock guitarist, multi-platinum recording artist who has sold over 40 million albums, and an uncompromising force of nature who has spent seven decades creating some of rock and roll&#8217;s most iconic anthems while remaining completely clean and sober in an industry notorious for excess. In this electrifying conversation, Ted shares his extraordinary journey from an 11-year-old guitar prodigy playing Detroit fraternity parties surrounded by beatniks to becoming one of the most recognizable names in rock history, revealing why staying clean and sober wasn&#8217;t just a personal choice but the secret weapon that made his music tighter, more powerful, and more memorable than his stone and drunk contemporaries. This episode offers a masterclass in discipline, authenticity, and primal creativity, demonstrating why the greatest art comes from connecting with nature&#8217;s healing powers rather than chemical substances, how the work ethic of James Brown and Chuck Berry created the foundation for all great rock and roll, and why remaining grounded in earthly activities like bow hunting, dog training, and killing your own dinner unlocks musical genius that cannot be taught or manufactured. Ted opens up about growing up in the arsenal of democracy where his father followed legendary bow hunter Fred Bear, learning to climb from Willi Unsoeld himself, the devastating divorce that left him crying tears of blood, and why his new album Detroit Muscle represents the last of a dying breed of fire breathing musical warriors who grabbed the baton directly from Chuck Berry&#8217;s hand. Key Topics Discussed: The Clean and Sober Warrior: 73 Years Without Drugs or Alcohol in Rock and Roll Ted reveals the remarkable reality that has defined his entire career and separated him from virtually every other rock star of his generation. From age 11 playing University of Detroit parties surrounded by beatniks smoking marijuana, he watched gifted virtuoso musicians get looser and sloppier the more drunk and stoned they became, compromising all the rehearsal work they had put into making their musical maneuvers tight and cohesive. Discover why Ted realized early that if his band was going to be the tightest and most energized, everyone had to be clean and sober, and how this created a Mount Everest challenge when he was surrounded by an entire industry that believed outside substances were necessary to loosen up and be adventurous. Learn about spending a weekend with Keith Richards at Studio 54 in 1979 and desperately wanting to discuss Howlin&#8217; Wolf and Muddy Waters but finding the Rolling Stones guitarist unable to carry a conversation, and why Ted remembers every gig, every stage, every audience, every song while his contemporaries don&#8217;t remember the greatest moments when God gave them the gift of playing for 100,000 people. The Detroit Crucible: Born in the Arsenal of Democracy with Fred Bear and Willi Unsoeld Discover Ted&#8217;s extraordinary origin story that shaped everything about his approach to music and life. Born in Detroit in 1948 just years after American warriors crushed the pure evil of the Japanese Empire and the Nazis, he grew up in the arsenal of democracy where his father already followed legendary bow hunter Fred Bear, discovering the mystical flight of the arrow and the origins of Zen. Learn how Ted&#8217;s father owned a camping and outdoor equipment shop in Andover, Massachusetts, where the family&#8217;s version of babysitting was throwing kids on the floor to crawl around climbing gear, and how the legendary Willi Unsoeld, first American to climb Everest&#8217;s West Ridge, became friends with his father and taught Ted to climb. Hear about the discipline of learning that a conscientious step in the woods rewarded you while a stumbling step brought no reward because the animals would see you coming, and why this early connection to nature&#8217;s healing powers created the foundation for a lifetime of musical genius. The Motown Influence: Grabbing the Baton from Chuck Berry&#8217;s Hand Ted unveils the secret behind why his generation of rock warriors created music with such undeniable power and authority. Growing up surrounded by the soulful electricity of Motown, he was mesmerized by the inescapable grind and groove of black founding fathers who increased the thunder and dynamic of gospel music, expressing the emotional heartbreak of people who knew slavery was wrong and had to break the shackles. Discover how Ted opened for Billy Lee and the Rivieras in 1960 alongside a brand new band called Martha and the Vandellas, and how he struggled relentlessly to learn Chuck Berry guitar licks, Duane Eddy, Lonnie Mack, and the Motown grind. Learn why &lt;\\\/p&gt;\\n&quot;,&quot;author&quot;:&quot;Mark Pattison&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;May 26, 2026&quot;,&quot;link&quot;:&quot;https:\\\/\\\/episode.flightcast.com\\\/01KSD73PA6QGQARBW4E5SS9YXN.mp3&quot;,&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https:\\\/\\\/episode.flightcast.com\\\/01KSD73PA6QGQARBW4E5SS9YXN.mp3&quot;,&quot;featured&quot;:&quot;https:\\\/\\\/files.flightcast.com\\\/workspaces\\\/tx41vu48dmvvdh8o84nxww8x\\\/01KSD7916CVEF5TW2KXDXZE7X6\\\/ted_nugent_final_pic_.jpg&quot;,&quot;featured_id&quot;:0,&quot;mediatype&quot;:&quot;audio&quot;,&quot;season&quot;:2,&quot;categories&quot;:[],&quot;duration&quot;:&quot;01:02:50&quot;,&quot;episodetype&quot;:&quot;full&quot;,&quot;source_mime&quot;:&quot;audio\\\/mpeg&quot;,&quot;source_format&quot;:&quot;mp3&quot;,&quot;is_hls&quot;:0,&quot;timestamp&quot;:1779796800,&quot;key&quot;:&quot;b75568f781ae57b6aab15d8364cbb711&quot;,&quot;fset&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;fratio&quot;:1},&quot;ppe-1265-18&quot;:{&quot;title&quot;:&quot;EP 294: Alan Arnette &#8211; What&#8217;s Really Happening on the MT EVEREST&quot;,&quot;description&quot;:&quot;&lt;p class=\\&quot;text-node\\&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Welcome back to Finding Your Summit!&lt;\\\/strong&gt;&nbsp;Host Mark Pattison sits down with&nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;Alan Arnette&lt;\\\/strong&gt;, one of the world&#8217;s foremost Everest experts, mountaineering coach, and Alzheimer&#8217;s advocate who has completed 38 major expeditions including four attempts on Everest before finally summiting in 2011, plus a successful K2 ascent. In this timely and urgent conversation recorded on May 20th, 2026, Alan provides a real-time analysis of what may become one of the most dangerous Everest seasons in recent history, revealing why 270 climbers summiting in a single day creates life-threatening bottlenecks, how summit fever and social media pressure are driving dangerous decisions, and why the mountain continues to humble even the most experienced climbers. This episode offers a masterclass in mountain wisdom and risk assessment, demonstrating why arrogance is the deadliest sin a climber can commit, how finding your why transforms impossible challenges into achievable goals, and why proper preparation through experienced coaching can mean the difference between life and death at 29,000 feet. Alan opens up about his journey from three failed Everest attempts driven by ego to finally summiting while honoring his mother&#8217;s battle with Alzheimer&#8217;s, the stark differences between Everest and the more technical K2, and why he&#8217;s deeply concerned about the frostbite, injuries, and potential fatalities that will emerge from today&#8217;s massive summit push.&nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;Key Topics Discussed:&lt;\\\/strong&gt;&nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;The 2026 Crisis Unfolding: 270 Summits in One Day and What It Means&lt;\\\/strong&gt;&nbsp;Alan reveals the shocking reality happening in real time on Everest as they record this conversation. After delays caused by a massive 200-foot-high, 100-foot-wide serac teetering in the Khumbu Icefall and persistent jet stream winds of 150 to 200 miles per hour sitting directly on the summit, the weather window finally opened and 270 people summited on May 20th alone. Discover why this single-day number equals what used to be an entire season&#8217;s worth of summits when Alan reached the top in 2011, and why the bottlenecks created by this traffic jam are causing climbers to stand in line for hours at 27,500 feet in minus 50 degree windchill. Learn about the dirty secret that guide companies won&#8217;t talk about the frostbite, injuries, and near-misses because it&#8217;s bad publicity, and why Alan predicts massive unreported casualties from this summit push. With 500 permits issued plus 1.5 Sherpas per climber for support, roughly 1,250 people started the season, and with only 400 having summited so far, another 400 climbers are still attempting to reach the top over the next four to five days.&nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;The Serac That Nearly Shut Down the Season: Ice Fall Doctors&#8217; Dilemma&lt;\\\/strong&gt;&nbsp;Discover the unprecedented challenge that delayed the entire 2026 season and created the dangerous compression of summit attempts. Unlike the typical hanging seracs on the west shoulder that constantly calve off and kill climbers, this year featured a giant serac sitting in the middle of the Khumbu Icefall near the top, teetering like a massive refrigerator. Learn why the ice fall doctors, the Sherpa team responsible for establishing the route through the constantly shifting maze of ice blocks, were terrified to work underneath this 200-foot-high structure that was slowly moving and threatening to collapse on them. Alan explains how the serac finally did collapse, leaving a huge debris field, and how a team from a matching Nepal finally got the ice fall doctors through to establish the route to Camp One. Hear about the remarkable effort to get fixed ropes all the way to the summit by May 13th, only to have the jet stream park directly on top of the mountain for another week, creating the perfect storm for today&#8217;s dangerous overcrowding.&nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;The Summit Ridge Reality: Two Feet Wide with 8,000-Foot Drops on Both Sides&lt;\\\/strong&gt;&nbsp;Mark and Alan paint a vivid picture for listeners of what the final approach to the Everest summit actually looks like, and why the massive traffic jam is so deadly. After cresting over the top of the South Summit and seeing the final pyramid, climbers face a ridge that&#8217;s only about two feet wide with 8,000 feet straight down to Tibet on the left and 8,000 feet down to Nepal on the right. Discover why this is essentially a one-way road where nobody can pass, and when 270 people want to take summit photos, hug, and celebrate at the top, the line backs up for hours. Learn about the critical danger of standing still at this altitude while using supplemental oxygen, how climbers must turn their flow down to half a liter per minute to conserve their supply, and why running out of oxygen in the death zone is a death sentence. 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The Gap Years: Climbing, Skiiing and the way back&quot;,&quot;description&quot;:&quot;&lt;p class=\\&quot;text-node\\&quot;&gt;[&#8220;&lt;strong&gt;Welcome back to Finding Your Summit!&lt;\\\/strong&gt;&nbsp;Host Mark Pattison sits down with&nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;Tom French&lt;\\\/strong&gt;, an accomplished mountaineer, adventure athlete, and author whose extraordinary journey from McKinsey senior partner to full-time adventurer embodies the power of reconnecting with your deepest passions at any age. In this inspiring conversation, Tom shares his remarkable story of leaving a 33-year consulting career at age 60 to pursue what he calls &#8220;gap years&#8221;\\u2014extended periods stepping out of the mainstream to rediscover the climbing, skiing, and exploration that made his soul sing in his youth. This episode offers a masterclass in life transitions and authentic living, demonstrating why the most meaningful career move might be stepping away from lucrative opportunities, how childhood influences can shape a lifetime of passion, and why taking time to think and reflect in natural environments unlocks creativity and clarity that no boardroom ever could. Tom opens up about growing up literally crawling around his father&#8217;s climbing equipment shop where legendary mountaineer Willi Unsoeld taught him to climb, the transformative three-week solo approach to Everest through the remote Makalu Barun region that almost nobody attempts, and the moonlit summit night with just his Sherpa where they had the world&#8217;s highest peak entirely to themselves.\\\\n\\\\n&lt;strong&gt;Key Topics Discussed:&lt;\\\/strong&gt;\\\\n\\\\n&lt;strong&gt;Growing Up in a Climbing Shop: When Willi Unsoeld Is Your Babysitter&lt;\\\/strong&gt;\\\\nTom reveals the extraordinary circumstances that shaped his life trajectory from the very beginning. His father owned a camping, climbing, and outdoor equipment shop in Andover, Massachusetts, and the family&#8217;s version of babysitting was throwing the kids on the floor of the shop to crawl around. Discover how Tom grew up surrounded by climbers who worked in the store specifically because they were climbers, and how the legendary Willi Unsoeld\\u2014first American to climb Everest&#8217;s West Ridge\\u2014became friends with his father and taught Tom to climb. Learn about the iconic poster that hung on Tom&#8217;s bedroom wall showing Unsoeld and Tom Hornbein as tiny dots heading up the West Ridge, looking like astronauts heading to the moon, and why that image represented the ultimate journey that seemed impossibly out of reach for a kid in the 1960s and 70s.\\\\n\\\\n&lt;strong&gt;The Formative Gap Years: Sweden, World Travel, and Three Years Out of Country&lt;\\\/strong&gt;\\\\nDiscover the pattern that would eventually define Tom&#8217;s entire approach to life transitions. Between high school and Dartmouth, he spent a year on the Arctic Circle in northern Sweden skiing and exploring. After college, instead of immediately launching a career, he became an expedition tour leader and spent three years traveling the world, climbing and kayaking when he wasn&#8217;t leading trips. Learn about the remarkable gift his parents gave him\\u2014never pressuring him to follow a conventional path, even when he showed up in their living room asking to borrow money for a one-way ticket to Hong Kong with no job lined up. Tom explains why these weren&#8217;t called gap years at the time, but they were exactly that\\u2014formative experiences stepping completely out of the mainstream that shaped who he would become.\\\\n\\\\n&lt;strong&gt;33 Years at McKinsey: The Golden Handcuffs and Life After Football&lt;\\\/strong&gt;\\\\nTom opens up about his three-decade career at McKinsey, one of the world&#8217;s most prestigious consulting firms, and the unique culture around retirement. Discover McKinsey&#8217;s unusual model that encourages senior partners to retire between 55 and 60, and the remarkable retreat the firm organized at a palace hotel outside Florence specifically to help departing partners plan their next act. Learn about sitting in that room with 15 peers who were all planning their next CEO role, board positions, or teaching appointments, and the inner voice that told Tom something wasn&#8217;t right about immediately jumping into another high-pressure role. Hear about the concept of &#8220;golden handcuffs&#8221;\\u2014the fear that your network and credentials are most valuable right now, and if you step away, all the deal flow will dry up and opportunities will disappear.\\\\n\\\\n&lt;strong&gt;The Decision: Choosing Mountains Over Boardrooms at Age 60&lt;\\\/strong&gt;\\\\nDiscover the pivotal moment when Tom decided to brand his retirement transition as a &#8220;gap year&#8221; and prioritize reconnecting with the climbing and skiing that had been on hold for decades while building his career and raising his family. Learn why he turned down lucrative client jobs, declined prestigious board positions, and told everyone to call him back in a year or two\\u2014a decision that felt risky when his professional relevance seemed to be at its peak. Tom explains the financial privilege that allowed him to make this choice, acknowledging that his lifestyle preferences aligned with relatively modest needs, and why his self-definition wasn&#8217;t built around income maximization the way it is for some people. 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In this inspiring conversation, Ed shares his extraordinary journey from being one of the first Ivy League players ever nominated for the Heisman Trophy at Cornell University to playing in two Super Bowls with the Minnesota Vikings, and ultimately reinventing himself as a working actor in one of the most competitive industries in the world. This episode offers a masterclass in adaptability and resilience, demonstrating why choosing the harder path of an Ivy League education over athletic scholarships can pay lifelong dividends, how career-ending injuries force you to pivot and discover new talents, and why the discipline and mental toughness developed through elite athletics translates directly into success in other high-pressure fields. Ed opens up about his blue collar upbringing in New Jersey, the revolutionary offensive system change at Cornell that unlocked his record-breaking college career, the devastating foot injury that ended his NFL dreams, and the unlikely path that led him from a six million dollar man screen test to becoming a beloved character on Hill Street Blues and a cult icon on Blue Mountain State.\\\\n\\\\n&lt;strong&gt;Key Topics Discussed:&lt;\\\/strong&gt;\\\\n\\\\n&lt;strong&gt;The Ivy League Decision: Choosing Prestige Over Scholarship Money&lt;\\\/strong&gt;\\\\nEd reveals the pivotal choice he made at 17 years old that would shape his entire life trajectory. Despite receiving approximately 30 football scholarship offers from major programs including Penn State and Duke, plus basketball scholarship opportunities, he chose Cornell where financial aid was based solely on family need rather than athletic ability. Discover why saying he got into an Ivy League college meant more to him than having a full ride scholarship, even though his family came from a blue collar background with his father working as a sign painter. Learn about the recent precedent of Calvin Hill from Yale and Marty Domres from Columbia being drafted in the first round just years before, proving Ivy League players could compete at the highest level. Ed explains how this decision removed pressure when he entered the NFL because he knew he had a future beyond football, and why the alumni network and bonds formed with Ivy League teammates have proven more valuable than his NFL connections decades later.\\\\n\\\\n&lt;strong&gt;The System Change That Created a Record Breaker: From Split T to I Formation&lt;\\\/strong&gt;\\\\nDiscover the remarkable stroke of luck that transformed Ed&#8217;s college career and put him in position for Heisman consideration. Between his freshman and sophomore years, Cornell&#8217;s coaching staff attended a clinic and completely changed their offensive system from a classic split T formation to the I formation, placing Ed seven yards behind the line of scrimmage in a two point stance where he could go either direction. Learn why this system fit his skill set perfectly, even though he didn&#8217;t realize it at the time, and how by his fourth game as a sophomore he was leading the nation in rushing. Hear about the legendary performance against Harvard where Cornell was a 20 point underdog, Ed gained 281 yards with five touchdowns, set an Ivy League record, and became Sports Illustrated Back of the Week as just a sophomore. Ed reflects on how preparation meeting opportunity and a healthy dose of luck created success he never anticipated.\\\\n\\\\n&lt;strong&gt;The Heisman Experience: Second Place from Your Parents&#8217; Living Room&lt;\\\/strong&gt;\\\\nEd shares the dramatically different Heisman Trophy experience of his era compared to today&#8217;s elaborate ceremony. Unlike modern candidates who are flown to New York City for the Downtown Athletic Club announcement, Ed learned he finished second place while sitting in his parents&#8217; den watching the announcement on television. Discover why there&#8217;s a newspaper photograph capturing the exact moment he learned he didn&#8217;t win, and how this accomplishment is something he carries with pride despite the stigma some attached to his Ivy League pedigree. Learn about the ongoing debate Ed and Mark discuss regarding whether the connections and education from an elite university outweigh the scholarship money and exposure from major football programs, and why Ed believes his choice was one of the best decisions he ever made despite not winning college football&#8217;s most prestigious individual honor.\\\\n\\\\n&lt;strong&gt;Super Bowls Eight and Nine: The Last Single Digit Championships&lt;\\\/strong&gt;\\\\nEd reveals what it was like playing in Super Bowls VIII and IX with the Minnesota Vikings, the last two single digit Super Bowls before the game became the massive cultural phenomenon it is today. Learn why the experience was dramatically different from the modern Super Bowl spectacle, with no elaborate pregame festivities, playing at Rice Stadium instead of the Astrodome because of renovations, and competing at Tulane&lt;\\\/p&gt;\\n&quot;,&quot;author&quot;:&quot;Mark Pattison&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;May 12, 2026&quot;,&quot;link&quot;:&quot;https:\\\/\\\/episode.flightcast.com\\\/01KRBWJ9YTS80J4HYX7AXQGS2W.mp3&quot;,&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https:\\\/\\\/episode.flightcast.com\\\/01KRBWJ9YTS80J4HYX7AXQGS2W.mp3&quot;,&quot;featured&quot;:&quot;https:\\\/\\\/files.flightcast.com\\\/workspaces\\\/tx41vu48dmvvdh8o84nxww8x\\\/01KRBWK7YBD09EMVJJRF74YRTP\\\/ed_marinaro_final_pic_.jpg&quot;,&quot;featured_id&quot;:0,&quot;mediatype&quot;:&quot;audio&quot;,&quot;season&quot;:2,&quot;categories&quot;:[],&quot;duration&quot;:&quot;38:37&quot;,&quot;episodetype&quot;:&quot;full&quot;,&quot;source_mime&quot;:&quot;audio\\\/mpeg&quot;,&quot;source_format&quot;:&quot;mp3&quot;,&quot;is_hls&quot;:0,&quot;timestamp&quot;:1778587200,&quot;key&quot;:&quot;572d368ff764c7aa93925caa7bc0d098&quot;,&quot;fset&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;fratio&quot;:1},&quot;ppe-1265-21&quot;:{&quot;title&quot;:&quot;EP 291: John Ulsh &#8211; From 125 MPH Head-On Collision to Marathon Recovery: Surviving the Unsurvivable&quot;,&quot;description&quot;:&quot;&lt;p class=\\&quot;text-node\\&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Welcome back to Finding Your Summit!&lt;\\\/strong&gt;&nbsp;Host Mark Pattison sits down with&nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;John Ulsh&lt;\\\/strong&gt;, a resilience expert, bestselling author, and motivational speaker who survived what should have been an unsurvivable tragedy and transformed unimaginable adversity into a life mission of inspiring others to embrace the process of recovery and growth. In this profoundly moving conversation, John shares his extraordinary journey from a devastating head-on collision in 2007 that left him paralyzed, shattered his body, and changed his family forever, to becoming a powerful voice for commitment over motivation and process over outcomes. This episode offers a masterclass in true resilience, demonstrating why the greatest growth comes from the deepest adversity, how falling in love with the process rather than fixating on outcomes creates sustainable transformation, and why the person who emerges from trauma can be fundamentally better than who they were before. John opens up about the moment a 125-mile-per-hour impact destroyed his body and nearly killed his entire family, the 18 days he spent in a coma with less than a 3% chance of survival, and why he now considers the adversity itself the greatest blessing of his life.\\\\n\\\\n&lt;strong&gt;Key Topics Discussed:&lt;\\\/strong&gt;\\\\n\\\\n&lt;strong&gt;December 1st, 2007: The Collision That Changed Everything&lt;\\\/strong&gt;\\\\nJohn reveals the devastating details of the accident that altered his life and his family&#8217;s life forever. After completing a 12-mile run in the snow that morning and attending his 8-year-old daughter&#8217;s swim meet, he made a simple decision to take the scenic route home instead of turning left. Discover the moment a car crossed the center line at the last second on a rural Pennsylvania road, creating an impact the police estimated at 125 miles per hour with no skid marks because nobody hit the brakes. Learn why the other driver, a 24-year-old father on the phone with his fianc\\u00e9e, did not survive, and how John&#8217;s entire family was catastrophically injured in an instant. His wife was knocked unconscious with a severed bowel, broken hand, and broken foot. His 4-year-old son sitting behind him had his leg snapped, bowel severed, and collarbone broken. His 8-year-old daughter was the only one who stayed conscious, found crawling between the front seats crying &#8220;daddy don&#8217;t die&#8221; when first responders arrived.\\\\n\\\\n&lt;strong&gt;The Injuries: Shattered Pelvis, Collapsed Lungs, and 18 Days in a Coma&lt;\\\/strong&gt;\\\\nDiscover the catastrophic damage John sustained in the collision. The energy came up his left leg, the engine box collapsed onto his feet, shattering his left foot and pelvis four and a half inches apart in the front while snapping the back and breaking his tailbone. Learn about the fractured vertebrae L1 through L4, the ruptured spleen and diaphragm, and how his left lung completely collapsed while his right lung partially collapsed. As a marathon runner under 10% body fat with strong lungs, John survived for over an hour and a half with half of a lung. Hear about the helicopter transport to Penn State Medical Center in Hershey, arriving with less than a 3% chance of surviving, and taking 36 units of blood in the first 12 hours when the human body only holds about eight. John was cut from sternum to pelvis, and after two days of trying to stop internal bleeding, doctors couldn&#8217;t pull his abdominal muscles shut due to swelling, leaving him stitched with just the fascia layer.\\\\n\\\\n&lt;strong&gt;Waking Up Paralyzed: The Nursing Home at Age 36&lt;\\\/strong&gt;\\\\nJohn shares the disorienting experience of emerging from an 18-day induced coma on Christmas, paralyzed from the waist down and hooked up to countless machines. Discover why he had no memory of the collision itself and how the drugs used to keep him in the coma were still floating through his system, causing hallucinations and confusion. Learn about the devastating realization that he couldn&#8217;t move his legs, and the crushing news that because of his shattered pelvis and back held together with titanium, he was non-weight-bearing for eight more weeks. At 36 years old, John moved into a nursing home to spend two months lying on his back before he could even begin rehab to learn to use a wheelchair, let alone attempt to walk again. Hear about the stretchy bands he tied to his bed to do arm exercises because he refused to lose any more strength, and how he left the nursing home 16 weeks later weighing just 155 pounds.\\\\n\\\\n&lt;strong&gt;The Moment That Changed Everything: &#8220;I Miss My Old Daddy&#8221;&lt;\\\/strong&gt;\\\\nDiscover the profound turning point that occurred two and a half years after the accident when John was working from his home office using a walker. His 10-year-old daughter was juggling a soccer ball in the front yard, &lt;\\\/p&gt;\\n&quot;,&quot;author&quot;:&quot;MARK PATTISON&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;May 5, 2026&quot;,&quot;link&quot;:&quot;https:\\\/\\\/episode.flightcast.com\\\/01KQSTRE8A6ZN9BWZA19XVT0GR.mp3&quot;,&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https:\\\/\\\/episode.flightcast.com\\\/01KQSTRE8A6ZN9BWZA19XVT0GR.mp3&quot;,&quot;featured&quot;:&quot;https:\\\/\\\/files.flightcast.com\\\/workspaces\\\/tx41vu48dmvvdh8o84nxww8x\\\/01KQSTVJ9FR4RNPYH7QQH51MNN\\\/john_ulsh_final_pic.jpg&quot;,&quot;featured_id&quot;:0,&quot;mediatype&quot;:&quot;audio&quot;,&quot;season&quot;:2,&quot;categories&quot;:[],&quot;duration&quot;:&quot;37:56&quot;,&quot;episodetype&quot;:&quot;full&quot;,&quot;source_mime&quot;:&quot;audio\\\/mpeg&quot;,&quot;source_format&quot;:&quot;mp3&quot;,&quot;is_hls&quot;:0,&quot;timestamp&quot;:1777982400,&quot;key&quot;:&quot;8cc953a6f671411f2dbdba18d433552a&quot;,&quot;fset&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;fratio&quot;:1},&quot;ppe-1265-22&quot;:{&quot;title&quot;:&quot;EP 290: From Serial Entrepreneur to Retirement Disruptor: Your Second Act Advantage with Jay Samit&quot;,&quot;description&quot;:&quot;&lt;p class=\\&quot;text-node\\&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Welcome back to Finding Your Summit!&lt;\\\/strong&gt;&nbsp;Host Mark Pattison sits down with&nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;Jay Samit&lt;\\\/strong&gt;, a serial entrepreneur, global business strategist, and international bestselling author who has spent over three decades at the forefront of digital disruption and innovation. In this paradigm-shifting conversation, Jay reveals why retirement is not just outdated but potentially deadly, and shares his revolutionary approach to building a meaningful second act in the age of AI disruption. This episode offers a masterclass in entrepreneurial thinking, demonstrating how anyone can launch a billion-dollar idea in 30 days, why the laziest person can add 28 years to their life with simple strategies, and how AI is about to eliminate 30% of all jobs while simultaneously creating unprecedented opportunities for those willing to adapt. Jay opens up about his journey from a 21-year-old who knew nothing about computers to becoming a trusted advisor to presidents, the Pope, and Spielberg, and why his latest book comes with a revolutionary AI companion that serves as your personal mentor for navigating life&#8217;s biggest transition.&nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;Key Topics Discussed:&lt;\\\/strong&gt;&nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;The Retirement Trap: Why Stopping Work Kills You Faster Than Stress&lt;\\\/strong&gt;&nbsp;Jay unveils the sobering reality that most people have a one-week retirement plan, whether it&#8217;s visiting Paris or organizing a stamp collection, and then they atrophy. Discover the shocking data showing that in your first year of retirement, you lose 30% of your short-term memory, not because your brain naturally decays but because you&#8217;ve given up your social network, your identity, and your purpose. Learn why retirement was designed for when people died at 60 or 65, but if you make it to 60 in the US, you&#8217;ll most likely live to 90, meaning your second act will be longer than your first act. Jay explains why the Japanese concept of Ikigai, having a purpose to get out of bed, is the single most important factor in the Blue Zones where people thrive into their hundreds.&nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;The 30-Day Billion Dollar Idea Formula: How to Guarantee Innovation&lt;\\\/strong&gt;&nbsp;Jay shares the exact process he taught his university students that resulted in them making $100 million in actual cash in one semester. The formula is deceptively simple: write down three problems in your life every single day for 30 days. Discover why after the first few days you&#8217;ll think you have no problems because we run our lives on autopilot, and how this forces you to see opportunities in disguise. Learn the story of the timer cap, a 25-cent happy meal watch attached to a pill bottle lid that solved a simple problem and became a major product, then evolved to Bluetooth-enabled medication management for opioids. Jay explains why most successful entrepreneurs didn&#8217;t invent something new but rather pivoted existing inventions, and why data is your best friend with no ego that should be invited to every decision.&nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;From Video Dating Failure to YouTube Billions: The Power of Pivoting&lt;\\\/strong&gt;&nbsp;Discover the remarkable origin story of YouTube that Jay witnessed firsthand. Brilliant engineers built a video dating site called Tune In Hook Up, and the first video was a guy standing in front of the elephant cage at the zoo explaining why you should date him. The site worked perfectly, but nobody wanted to date these losers. Instead of quitting, they looked at the data and realized that while women didn&#8217;t want to date that guy, they wanted to send the video to all their friends to say &#8220;this is the dating pool.&#8221; One year later, they changed the name to YouTube and sold the company for $2 billion with zero revenue. Jay explains why failing is different from failure\\u2014failing is learning what doesn&#8217;t work, while failure is throwing in the towel when you don&#8217;t realize how close success might be.&nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;The Lazy Nerd&#8217;s Guide to Longevity: 28 Extra Years with Minimal Effort&lt;\\\/strong&gt;&nbsp;Jay reveals the nine bare minimum things anyone can do to add 28 years not just to their lifespan but to their health span, and five of them you do while you&#8217;re asleep. Discover why everything we learned about health and diet in the 20th century was wrong, created by lobbyists making food pyramids rather than scientists. Learn about the Nobel Prize-winning research on autophagy and intermittent fasting that Jay has simplified for people who, like him, weren&#8217;t naturally athletic and whose favorite foods were Sampastraman and pasta. Jay explains why he wrote this chapter specifically for people who find the traditional &#8220;go to the gym every day&#8221; advice too high of a climb, and how AI will cancel most forms of cancer within the decade, making longevity strategies even more valuable.&nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;The AI Revolution: 30% Job Loss and the End of Universal Basic Income Fantasies&lt;\\\/strong&gt;&nbsp;Jay shares his prediction from 10 years ago that seemed crazy at the time but is now confirmed by the head of the International Monetary Fund: AI is going to wipe out 30% of all jobs. &lt;\\\/p&gt;\\n&quot;,&quot;author&quot;:&quot;Mark Pattison&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;April 28, 2026&quot;,&quot;link&quot;:&quot;https:\\\/\\\/episode.flightcast.com\\\/01KQ7SYVBHGJMCTCNEVJNPQRN1.mp3&quot;,&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https:\\\/\\\/episode.flightcast.com\\\/01KQ7SYVBHGJMCTCNEVJNPQRN1.mp3&quot;,&quot;featured&quot;:&quot;https:\\\/\\\/files.flightcast.com\\\/workspaces\\\/tx41vu48dmvvdh8o84nxww8x\\\/01KQ7T125P5QZ175427EBR6CDR\\\/template_for_fys_.jpg&quot;,&quot;featured_id&quot;:0,&quot;mediatype&quot;:&quot;audio&quot;,&quot;season&quot;:2,&quot;categories&quot;:[],&quot;duration&quot;:&quot;35:50&quot;,&quot;episodetype&quot;:&quot;full&quot;,&quot;source_mime&quot;:&quot;audio\\\/mpeg&quot;,&quot;source_format&quot;:&quot;mp3&quot;,&quot;is_hls&quot;:0,&quot;timestamp&quot;:1777377600,&quot;key&quot;:&quot;ed7cb4adaab75f740d63143e2e5ca1f7&quot;,&quot;fset&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;fratio&quot;:1},&quot;ppe-1265-23&quot;:{&quot;title&quot;:&quot;EP 289: Frank Furnish &#8211; From Ultra Marathons to Everest in 3 Weeks: The Flash Expedition Prep&quot;,&quot;description&quot;:&quot;&lt;p class=\\&quot;text-node\\&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Welcome back to Finding Your Summit!&lt;\\\/strong&gt;&nbsp;Host Mark Pattison sits down with&nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;Frank Furnish&lt;\\\/strong&gt;, an accomplished adventure athlete and mountaineer who is preparing to tackle the ultimate challenge:&nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;Mount Everest&lt;\\\/strong&gt;&nbsp;in just three weeks using a revolutionary new approach to high altitude climbing. In this fascinating pre-expedition conversation, Frank shares the innovative strategy that&#8217;s transforming how climbers approach the world&#8217;s highest peak, revealing why spending two months on the mountain may actually be more dangerous than a rapid three-week ascent with proper pre-acclimatization. This episode offers a masterclass in preparation, risk management, and the evolution of extreme mountaineering, demonstrating how technology and new methodologies are making the impossible more achievable while actually increasing safety margins. Frank opens up about his 30-year journey pushing physical limits, his decision to pivot from the North side to the South side just weeks before departure due to Chinese restrictions, and why sleeping in a hypoxic tent in his Virginia guest room for two months is the key to showing up at Everest in peak condition rather than worn down and sick.&nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;Key Topics Discussed:&lt;\\\/strong&gt;&nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;The Three Week Everest: Revolutionary Pre-Acclimatization Strategy&lt;\\\/strong&gt;Frank unveils the game-changing approach that&#8217;s redefining Everest expeditions. Instead of the traditional two-month climb with multiple rotations up and down the mountain, he&#8217;s using pre-acclimatization technology to prepare his body before ever leaving Virginia. Discover how sleeping in a hypoxic tent for two months allows climbers to build red blood cells and adapt to altitude at home, then arrive at Everest ready to make one powerful push to the summit. Learn why this approach is actually safer, reducing exposure to the deadly Khumbu Icefall from six passages to just one, minimizing time in the death zone, and avoiding the illnesses that plague climbers living in close quarters at base camp for weeks.&nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;Sleeping at Altitude in Virginia: The Hypoxic Tent Experience&lt;\\\/strong&gt;&nbsp;Discover the fascinating technology behind Frank&#8217;s preparation as he describes sleeping in a head tent connected to a hypoxic machine that simulates high altitude. Starting at 5,000 feet and progressing 500 feet per night to over 13,500 feet, Frank has been training his body to produce more oxygen-carrying red blood cells without ever leaving home. Learn about the uncomfortable reality of sleeping in a claustrophobic plastic tent with a noisy machine that heats up the room, why his wife relegated him to the guest room for a month and a half, and why this discomfort is worth avoiding the traditional acclimatization rotations that left Mark Pattison 35 pounds lighter and exhausted after two months on Everest.&nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;Last Minute Pivot: From North Side to South Side in Two Weeks&lt;\\\/strong&gt;&nbsp;Frank reveals the dramatic change that occurred just two weeks before this conversation when China suddenly decided not to accept foreign climbers on the North side of Everest. After months of visualizing the North route specifically to avoid crowds, he had to immediately pivot to the South side, the same route Mark climbed. Discover why flexibility and the ability to adapt are essential qualities for any mountaineer, and how Frank&#8217;s expedition company Furtenbach Adventures was able to seamlessly make the switch while other groups might have been completely out of luck.&nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;The Khumbu Icefall Reality: Why Every Passage Matters&lt;\\\/strong&gt;&nbsp;Mark shares sobering wisdom from his six passages through the notorious Khumbu Icefall, one of the most dangerous sections of the Everest climb. Learn why this constantly shifting maze of ice blocks is far more dangerous than many climbers realize, with routes changing daily as 30-foot ice blocks tumble and collapse. Discover why climbers go through at 2 AM with headlamps when it&#8217;s coldest, the eerie sound of ice crackling underneath as you cross ladder bridges over bottomless crevasses, and why many Sherpas have lost their lives in this treacherous section. Mark emphasizes that reducing exposure from six passages to one is a massive safety improvement.&nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;The 35 Pound Weight Loss: What Two Months on Everest Does to Your Body&lt;\\\/strong&gt;&nbsp;Mark opens up about the brutal physical toll of traditional Everest expeditions, revealing he lost 35 pounds from his already lean frame during his two-month climb. Discover why his body was at its strongest during his second rotation but had deteriorated significantly by the third, and why he ultimately spent a night at 26,500 feet without supplemental oxygen in conditions he&#8217;s lucky to have survived. Learn why Frank&#8217;s approach of arriving in peak physical condition, rested and healthy rather than worn down from weeks of exposure, represents a fundamental improvement in how humans can safely attempt the world&#8217;s highest peak.&nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;Premium Guide Service: Two Sherpas and&nbsp;&lt;\\\/strong&gt;&lt;\\\/p&gt;\\n&lt;p class=\\&quot;text-node\\&quot;&gt;\\n&lt;p class=\\&quot;text-node\\&quot;&gt;&lt;\\\/p&gt;\\n&quot;,&quot;author&quot;:&quot;Mark Pattison&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;April 21, 2026&quot;,&quot;link&quot;:&quot;https:\\\/\\\/episode.flightcast.com\\\/01KPKTWZSEPRBPZK48KWPN6RSP.mp3&quot;,&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https:\\\/\\\/episode.flightcast.com\\\/01KPKTWZSEPRBPZK48KWPN6RSP.mp3&quot;,&quot;featured&quot;:&quot;https:\\\/\\\/files.flightcast.com\\\/workspaces\\\/tx41vu48dmvvdh8o84nxww8x\\\/01KPKTZ6DE1Z416BFSCXEMGWC5\\\/frank_furnish_final_pic.jpg&quot;,&quot;featured_id&quot;:0,&quot;mediatype&quot;:&quot;audio&quot;,&quot;season&quot;:2,&quot;categories&quot;:[],&quot;duration&quot;:&quot;25:35&quot;,&quot;episodetype&quot;:&quot;full&quot;,&quot;source_mime&quot;:&quot;audio\\\/mpeg&quot;,&quot;source_format&quot;:&quot;mp3&quot;,&quot;is_hls&quot;:0,&quot;timestamp&quot;:1776772800,&quot;key&quot;:&quot;6f69adf5640bfe5d7f92c06f885ead53&quot;,&quot;fset&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;fratio&quot;:1},&quot;ppe-1265-24&quot;:{&quot;title&quot;:&quot;EP 288: Dov Baron &#8211; From Childhood Trauma to Emotional Source Code: Decoding Leadership from Within&quot;,&quot;description&quot;:&quot;&lt;p class=\\&quot;text-node\\&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Welcome back to Finding Your Summit!&lt;\\\/strong&gt;&nbsp;Host Mark Pattison sits down with&nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;Dov Baron&lt;\\\/strong&gt;, a renowned leadership expert and emotional intelligence specialist who has spent&nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;40 years&lt;\\\/strong&gt;&nbsp;studying the hidden frameworks that drive human behavior. In this paradigm-shifting conversation, Dov reveals why traditional approaches to behavioral change and even emotional intelligence fall short, and introduces his revolutionary concept of the&nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;Emotional Source Code&lt;\\\/strong&gt;\\u2014the foundational framework built during our formative years that unconsciously drives every decision, relationship, and achievement in our adult lives. This episode offers a masterclass in self-awareness, demonstrating why highly successful people often feel empty despite external achievements, and how understanding the five layers of human psychology can unlock genuine joy, purpose, and sustainable excellence. Dov opens up about his journey from abject poverty in Northern England surrounded by violence and abuse to becoming a trusted advisor to elite performers in politics, entertainment, and business, and why the greatest asset of high achievers is often simultaneously their greatest curse.&nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;Key Topics Discussed:The Five Layers of the Emotional Source Code: Why Behavioral Change Doesn&#8217;t Stick&lt;\\\/strong&gt;&nbsp;Dov unveils his groundbreaking framework that explains why most personal development work fails to create lasting transformation. Discover the five layers from surface to core: behaviors, beliefs and values, identity, anatomy of meaning, and the emotional source code itself. Learn why changing behavior without addressing identity is like painting over rust, and why your identity\\u2014though not actually true\\u2014is the most addictive thing in your neurological system. Dov explains how your brain constantly works to qualify, verify, and validate your identity, and why siblings raised in identical environments can develop completely different identities based on the meanings they assigned to childhood experiences.&nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;The Resilience Trap: When Your Greatest Strength Becomes Your Greatest Weakness&lt;\\\/strong&gt;&nbsp;In one of the episode&#8217;s most powerful insights, Dov challenges the conventional wisdom about resilience, calling his former belief in it &#8220;a stupid statement built by a stubborn mind.&#8221; He explains why the mantra &#8220;get knocked down seven times, get up eight&#8221; is actually destructive, and why you should instead get knocked down once and stay on your ass long enough to understand why you fell. Discover why highly successful people are invariably driven by unresolved trauma, constantly moving forward not toward something but away from pain, and why this relentless momentum prevents the healing that would unlock genuine joy.&nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;Standing on Success Mountain with an Empty Soul: The High Achiever&#8217;s Dilemma&lt;\\\/strong&gt;&nbsp;Dov reveals the common experience of his clients\\u2014highly successful individuals in politics, arts, entertainment, and business who have climbed to the top of their personal Everest only to discover it felt great for about four seconds before emptiness returned. Learn why these individuals often feel guilty for complaining when they have homes in multiple locations, financial abundance, wonderful families, and every external marker of success. Dov explains this isn&#8217;t complaining but rather the soul crying out for expression, and why another trophy, achievement, or behavioral adjustment will never fill the hole in the soul.&nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;From Abject Poverty to Spiritual Prodigy: The Making of an Emotional Architect&lt;\\\/strong&gt;&nbsp;Discover Dov&#8217;s remarkable origin story, born into poverty in Northern England surrounded by crime, violence, addiction, and abuse of all kinds including sexual. Learn how his narcissistic father punched him in the face at nine months old and left when Dov was seven, and how his mother sent him to study with rabbis after he began having mysterious dreams and waking experiences she couldn&#8217;t understand. 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Mark is a former NFL player, Seven Summits mountaineer, Mount Everest summiter, Emmy Award winner, entrepreneur, author, and former Sports Illustrated executive. Through inspiring conversations with athletes, CEOs, entrepreneurs, and adventurers, discover powerful lessons on mental toughness, personal growth, success, and achieving meaningful goals in business and life.<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"pp-podcast__content pod-content\"><div class=\"pp-podcast__single\"><div class=\"pp-podcast__player\"><div class=\"pp-player-episode\"><audio id=\"pp-podcast-1265-player\" preload=\"none\" class=\"pp-podcast-episode\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"https:\/\/episode.flightcast.com\/01M216P44A8XPYC84ZV9TBRBTS.mp3\" \/><\/audio><\/div><\/div><div class=\"pod-content__episode episode-single\"><button class=\"episode-single__close\" aria-expanded=\"false\" aria-label=\"Close Single Episode\"><span class=\"btn-icon-wrap\"><svg class=\"icon icon-pp-x\" aria-hidden=\"true\" role=\"img\" focusable=\"false\"><use href=\"#icon-pp-x\" xlink:href=\"#icon-pp-x\"><\/use><\/svg><\/span><\/button><div class=\"episode-single__wrapper\"><div class=\"episode-single__header\"><div class=\"episode-single__title\">EP 312: Tim Hovland -From Manhattan Beach to Hall of Fame: Inside the Golden Era of Beach Volleyball<\/div><div class=\"episode-single__author\"><span class=\"byname\">by<\/span><span class=\"single-author\">Mark Pattison<\/span><\/div><\/div><div class=\"episode-single__description\"><p class=\"text-node\">[&#8220;Host Mark Pattison sits down with <strong>Tim Hovland<\/strong>, an International Hall of Fame beach volleyball legend, five-time Manhattan Beach Open champion, and four-time world champion who dominated the AVP tour throughout the 1980s and 90s with 60 career wins including 53 with his longtime partner Mike Dodd, revealing why the greatest era of beach volleyball wasn&#8217;t just about athletic dominance but about selling the California lifestyle to packed crowds of 20,000 people who traveled from Colorado to Kentucky to live the dream for a weekend, how maintaining relationships with sponsors like Miller Lite by going out all night with executives after competing for six hours in the sun created an entertainment spectacle that will never be replicated, and why the upcoming documentary Kings of the Beach captures the reality of an era when bikini contests happened mid-tournament, matches lasted five hours under brutal conditions, and four legendary competitors spent two decades promoting a sport while battling each other with mutual respect and occasional hatred. In this deeply nostalgic and authentic conversation between two elite athletes who lived through the golden age of their respective sports, Tim shares his extraordinary journey from growing up at Westport Beach Club in the South Bay playing every sport imaginable to choosing volleyball over football scholarship offers because getting hit by Ronnie Lott in USC practice was too intense, to forming an unstoppable partnership with Mike Dodd that earned them the nickname big game hunters for winning five Manhattan Beach Opens, four Hermosas, and four world championships while letting Sinjin Smith and Randy Stoklos take any Rhode Island tournament they wanted, to spending nine years playing professionally in Italy before returning to dominate the AVP tour during an era when you could make half a million dollars in sponsorships before stepping on the sand and Miller Lite would fly you around the country for eight live NBC broadcasts that brought beach volleyball into America&#8217;s living rooms. This episode offers a masterclass in understanding how lifestyle sports explode and why they crater, demonstrating why side out scoring that created 30 minute rallies and six hour finals produced a completely different game than today&#8217;s point per serve format that ends matches in 45 minutes, how the 1984 Olympics in Los Angeles paradoxically caused beach volleyball to crater the following years instead of explode despite the indoor team winning gold, and why the next generation of players who won tournaments but didn&#8217;t spend nights taking care of VIP sponsors and creating relationships failed to carry the torch that kept Miller Lite, Jose Cuervo, and NBC invested in broadcasting a sport that was essentially selling California to the rest of America. Tim opens up about meeting Mike Dodd while training for the Olympic indoor team in San Diego and discovering after practice they would play beach volleyball for four or five more hours against Karch Kiraly and Sinjin Smith until they realized they were pretty damn good and should stay together for what became 14 years, the reality that he and Dodd own 60 feet of the Manhattan Beach pier because every champion&#8217;s name gets engraved in tile and winning Manhattan five times means you&#8217;re forever embedded in the most prestigious tournament in the sport, why getting your name on that pier matters more than 25 other tournament wins because if you don&#8217;t win Manhattan you&#8217;re not going to be one of those guys, the heated rivalry with Sinjin Smith and Randy Stoklos that produced countless finals where mutual respect coexisted with genuine dislike because when you play someone for hours and days and years you hate your opponent in the moment but respect what it takes to compete at that level, how the documentary Kings of the Beach brings together all four legends in one room for the first time in 30 years to share their perspectives on an era that started in the 70s, exploded in the 80s, and faded in the 90s when the vibe changed and sponsors walked away, and why at 60 years old he still plays twice a week at 215 pounds because this is what he was meant to do and the South Bay is where his roots run so deep he has no desire to go anywhere else. <strong>Key Topics Discussed:<\/strong><strong>From Multi Sport Athlete to Beach Volleyball Legend: Why Choosing the Right Path Matters More Than Taking the Obvious One<\/strong> Tim reveals how growing up at Westport Beach Club in the South Bay meant playing volleyball, surfing, and doing everything beach related from a young age while also excelling at football, basketball, and baseball. Discover why he had scholarship offers in all three sports but chose volleyball at USC despite football being the more traditional path, and how practicing against Ronnie Lott who was coming across the middle like a freight train made it clear that football was just a little bit too intense for what he wanted. Learn why becoming an All American at USC&#8230;<\/p><\/div><\/div><div class=\"ppjs__img-wrapper \"><div class=\"ppjs__img-btn-cover\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"ppjs__img-btn\" src=\"https:\/\/markpattisonnfl.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/podcast-episode-image-5f28c790b5b1d05993bc96250d024e0b-768x768.jpg\" srcset=\"https:\/\/markpattisonnfl.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/podcast-episode-image-5f28c790b5b1d05993bc96250d024e0b-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/markpattisonnfl.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/podcast-episode-image-5f28c790b5b1d05993bc96250d024e0b-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/markpattisonnfl.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/podcast-episode-image-5f28c790b5b1d05993bc96250d024e0b-1024x1024.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/markpattisonnfl.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/podcast-episode-image-5f28c790b5b1d05993bc96250d024e0b-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/markpattisonnfl.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/podcast-episode-image-5f28c790b5b1d05993bc96250d024e0b-1536x1536.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/markpattisonnfl.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/podcast-episode-image-5f28c790b5b1d05993bc96250d024e0b-2048x2048.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 300px\" alt=\"EP 312: Tim Hovland -From Manhattan Beach to Hall of Fame: Inside the Golden Era of Beach Volleyball\"><\/div><div><span class=\"ppjs__img-btn-style\" style=\"display: block; 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EP 306<\/a>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t<div class=\"pod-entry__date\">August 11, 2026<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"pod-entry__author\">Mark Pattison<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n<div id=\"ppe-1265-7\" class=\"episode-list__entry pod-entry\" data-search-term=\"ep: michael allison &#8211; from gladiator to civilian: transforming performance beyond the arena\" data-cats=\"s-2\">\n\t<div class=\"pod-entry__wrapper\">\n\t\t<div class=\"pod-entry__content\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"pod-entry__title\">\n\t\t\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/episode.flightcast.com\/01KZ41STS2RVM6BKRRHNP95XV2.mp3\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">EP: Michael Allison &#8211; From Gladiator to Civilian: Transforming Performance Beyond the Arena<\/a>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t<div class=\"pod-entry__date\">August 4, 2026<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"pod-entry__author\">Mark Pattison<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n<div id=\"ppe-1265-8\" class=\"episode-list__entry pod-entry\" data-search-term=\"ep: amanda gunville &#8211; 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20 Everest Summits: The Mountain Guide Who Turned Alpine Dreams into Reality<\/a>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t<div class=\"pod-entry__date\">July 21, 2026<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"pod-entry__author\">Mark Pattison<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n<div id=\"ppe-1265-10\" class=\"episode-list__entry pod-entry\" data-search-term=\"ep: jeff chandler &#8211; from husky football to ceo: building culture and crushing burgers at 50+ places\" data-cats=\"s-2\">\n\t<div class=\"pod-entry__wrapper\">\n\t\t<div class=\"pod-entry__content\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"pod-entry__title\">\n\t\t\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/episode.flightcast.com\/01KXKE5KHGWERX0V8N5MN9YPX0.mp3\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">EP: Jeff Chandler &#8211; From Husky Football to CEO: Building Culture and Crushing Burgers at 50+ places<\/a>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t<div class=\"pod-entry__date\">July 15, 2026<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"pod-entry__author\">Mark Pattison<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n<div id=\"ppe-1265-11\" class=\"episode-list__entry pod-entry\" data-search-term=\"ep: fred couples &#8211; 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From Naval Academy Swimmer to Ironman Podium: Chasing the Kona Dream<\/a>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t<div class=\"pod-entry__date\">June 30, 2026<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"pod-entry__author\">Mark Pattison<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"lm-button-wrapper\"><button class=\"episode-list__load-more\"><span>Load More<\/span><\/button><\/div><div class=\"episode-list__search-results episode-search\"><span class=\"ppjs__offscreen\">Search Results placeholder<\/span><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"ppjs__list-reveal\"><div class=\"ppjs__button\"><button class=\"pp-prev-btn\"><span class=\"ppjs__offscreen\">Previous Episode<\/span><span class=\"btn-icon-wrap\"><svg class=\"icon icon-pp-previous\" aria-hidden=\"true\" role=\"img\" focusable=\"false\"><use href=\"#icon-pp-previous\" xlink:href=\"#icon-pp-previous\"><\/use><\/svg><\/span><\/button><\/div><div class=\"ppjs__button\"><button class=\"pp-list-btn\"><span class=\"ppjs__offscreen\">Show Episodes List<\/span><span class=\"btn-icon-wrap\"><svg class=\"icon icon-pp-show-list\" aria-hidden=\"true\" role=\"img\" focusable=\"false\"><use href=\"#icon-pp-show-list\" xlink:href=\"#icon-pp-show-list\"><\/use><\/svg><svg class=\"icon icon-pp-hide-list\" aria-hidden=\"true\" role=\"img\" focusable=\"false\"><use href=\"#icon-pp-hide-list\" xlink:href=\"#icon-pp-hide-list\"><\/use><\/svg><\/span><\/button><\/div><div class=\"ppjs__button\"><button class=\"pp-next-btn\"><span class=\"ppjs__offscreen\">Next Episode<\/span><span class=\"btn-icon-wrap\"><svg class=\"icon icon-pp-next\" aria-hidden=\"true\" role=\"img\" focusable=\"false\"><use href=\"#icon-pp-next\" xlink:href=\"#icon-pp-next\"><\/use><\/svg><\/span><\/button><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"pod-content__launcher pod-launch\"><button class=\"pod-launch__button pod-launch__info pod-button\" aria-expanded=\"false\"><span class=\"ppjs__offscreen\">Show Podcast Information<\/span><span class=\"btn-icon-wrap\"><svg class=\"icon icon-pp-podcast\" aria-hidden=\"true\" role=\"img\" focusable=\"false\"><use href=\"#icon-pp-podcast\" xlink:href=\"#icon-pp-podcast\"><\/use><\/svg><svg class=\"icon icon-pp-x\" aria-hidden=\"true\" role=\"img\" focusable=\"false\"><use href=\"#icon-pp-x\" xlink:href=\"#icon-pp-x\"><\/use><\/svg><\/span><\/button><\/div><\/div><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/section>\n<section class=\"fys-section fys-section--alt fys-about\">\n<div class=\"wrap\">\n<p class=\"fys-kicker\">About the show<\/p>\n<h2 class=\"fys-h2\">Conversations that help you climb your own Everest<\/h2>\n<div class=\"fys-underline\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"fys-grid\">\n<div>\n<p>Finding Your Summit is a show about resilience, leadership, and peak performance. Every week, Mark Pattison brings on remarkable guests, Olympians and CEOs, adventurers and survivors, to unpack the moments that tested them and the mindset that carried them through.<\/p>\n<p>It is honest, practical, and built for anyone chasing a bigger goal. Whether you are leading a team, building a business, or facing your own mountain, these stories give you the tools and the belief to keep climbing.<\/p>\n<div class=\"fys-about-cta\">\n<p class=\"fys-about-cta-text\">Bring Mark&#8217;s story to your audience.<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"fys-btn fys-btn-primary fys-btn-lg\" href=\"https:\/\/markpattisonnfl.com\/book-mark-for-podcast\/\">Book Mark<\/a><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<aside class=\"fys-card\">\n<h3>What you will take away<\/h3>\n<ul>\n<li>Hard won lessons on resilience and mental toughness<\/li>\n<li>How elite performers decide and lead under pressure<\/li>\n<li>Practical habits to push through adversity<\/li>\n<li>The mindset behind reaching any summit<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/aside>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/section>\n<section class=\"fys-section fys-host\">\n<div class=\"wrap\">\n<p class=\"fys-kicker\">Your host<\/p>\n<h2 class=\"fys-h2\">Mark Pattison<\/h2>\n<div class=\"fys-underline\"><\/div>\n<p class=\"fys-host-lead\">NFL wide receiver turned mountaineer, filmmaker, and speaker.<\/p>\n<p>Mark played in the NFL for the Raiders, Saints, and Rams, spent a decade as a Sports Illustrated executive, and became the first NFL player to complete the Seven Summits with his ascent of Mount Everest. His journey became the NFL Films documentary Searching for the Summit, which won a Sports Emmy in 2022. On this show he turns that same drive toward one question, what does it take to reach the top, and how do you help others get there too.<\/p>\n<ul class=\"fys-badges\">\n<li><b>NFL<\/b> Raiders, Saints, Rams<\/li>\n<li><b>First<\/b> NFL player to climb the Seven Summits<\/li>\n<li><b>2022<\/b> Sports Emmy, Searching for the Summit<\/li>\n<li><b>10 years<\/b> Sports Illustrated executive<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/section>\n<section class=\"fys-section fys-cta\">\n<div class=\"wrap\">\n<h2>Never miss an episode<\/h2>\n<p>New conversations drop every week. 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